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  • dallasray   •   Mon, Jan 16th, '17 00:57   •   12 replies, 202 views

Cycle layout

WeekTest EHCGProvironTurinabolAnavarNolvadexClomidAromasin
1500mg500iu50mg50mg
2500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
3500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
4500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
5500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
6500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
7500mg500iu50mg12.5/eod
8500mg500iu50mg12.5/eod
9500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
10500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
11500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
12500mg500iu50mg50mg12.5/eod
13500iu12.5/eod
14
1540100
1640100
172050
182050

Description, concerns and expectations

32 y/o
5'7"
185lbs
10-12%bf
Dead-440
Bench-340
Squat-405
First cycle I gained 20lbs and kept 15 of it from 500mg Test E and HCG with no apparent sides. Wanted to add at least Proviron to this cycle and like the idea of Tbol as a kickstarter and Anavar the last 4 weeks to finish the cycle off. If so I will be taking Tudca, Liv 52 and milk thistle throughout. Will get bloods done at week 4 and adjust AI from there. Typical PCT protocol 100/100/50/50-40/40/20/20. I know the HCG is somewhat controversial but running it last cycle my transition to PCT felt almost seamless so I plan on running it again.

Expectations:
Similar results from my first cycle, looking to gain 20 and retain 15.

Concerns:
2 different 17aa orals ran in one cycle going to thrash my liver? If so I will drop the Var
Started my Aromasin Week 4 last cycle, with the tbol I was thinking Week 2?
Thinking of bumping the Test E up to 600 due to body handling 500 well last time?
Should I move Anavar to week 10-13?
Proviron ran until week 13 as well?

This cycle will begin 16 weeks from my last pin of previous. Getting bloods done in a few weeks to make sure PCT has restored levels. I am in this for the long haul and like quality, retainable gains with minimal negative effects on my overall short and long term health. Open to any and all critiques and criticism. Thanks again to all the members that helped with my last cycle and appreciate any input on this one.

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  • noguru's picture
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  • noguru
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If u gained so well on test only, why dont run it again? I was thinking of running multiple compounds for my second cycle aswell. But i think its way better to slowly learn how ur body reacts to different compounds etc. I would add one by one. But if u decide to add proviron/tbol/var i would choose one at a time. There will be plenty time to try em all. Good luck

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  • Pmob
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Thinking of bumping the Test E up to 600 due to body handling 500 well last time?

You do realize this is your 2nd cycle. I would just run another test only cycle. If you kept 15lbs that's a huge gain.

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  • dallasray
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  • @Pmob

Yes I am happy with what I have kept but I am curious to see how other compounds affect my results. I'm not planning on getting crazy with tren or any 19nors anytime soon but I didn't think running an oral your second cycle was such a far fetched proposition.

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  • SuperMax
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Don't be surprised if you have to change up your Exemestane dosing. It has a short half life of about 8.5hrs & is only active in the system for 25hrs.
I agree with PropKick, he has good advise

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Thanks supermax. I plan on getting bloods done every two weeks or so to dial things in.

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Damm $$$ bags.

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  • dallasray
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My local place is $53 for the basics. Small price to pay to monitor what my body is doing. Maybe it's because I work on cars for a living but I would never put nitrous on a motor without dynoing it to see how it is responding to the juice. Same theory here.

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  • propkick2
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A few things i would change if this was my 2nd cycle:
Pick one oral or the other, if its t-bol then i would start at 30 mg and work your way up to 50 if you want and i would only run it for 4 weeks. I personally would choose anavar and run it for the last 6 weeks.
2nd i would wait an extra week before starting the aromasin.
3rd I personally do not run hcg through a cycle, especially one like this.
4th i like to start my cycles with a prop kick..wks 1-3 i would pin 100 mg eod to get things going while I'm waiting for the test E to kick in(if you do this you would start aromasin on wk 1)

SO….drop the t-bol for a prop kick, and wrap up the last 6 weeks with anavar.

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Thanks for taking the time to address each of my concerns. The tbol was a thought to kickstart but I like the idea of doing so with the test p since I already know how my body responds to test. Var for 6 weeks compared to my original plan sounds like a safer route on my liver. As far as the HCG goes I know it's either highly approved or disdained during cycle by members. Most leaning towards using it during PCT. Can you please explain to me why you personally don't run it during cycle? De sensitivity of the leydig cells? From Some articles I've found they can also be affected from receiving no LH which happens while on test? I know it's one of those questions where you ask 10 people and get 10 different answers but it's good to hear from people who have actually ran cycles both ways. Thanks again man.

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This cycle(with anavar) will give you great results. It is mildly suppressive and in my opinion does not warrant the use of hcg, save the hcg for 2-3 cycle down the road when you introduce the 19nor's.
When i run hcg i feel like i have a much harder time controlling my estrogen and i tend to break out a little more than i would with out it.. if you have hcg on hand and are convinced you need to use it, some protocals recommend that you use it in blasts the 2 weeks between cycle and pct. There is no right and wrong way with hcg.

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I think of it like this, Endocrine system is like a Air Conditioner. It's a closed loop system. If you already have a abundant amount of endogenous testosterone in your system then trying to super charge with HCG isn't doing anything for you. Kinda like adding refrigerant to a AC that is already charged, it's just not doing anything for you.
The endocrine system kicks on & off as needed. Kick start it when your Lh & FsH lvls are suppressed, otherwise your just making the system work hard to quit again.

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Nice.