posted Sat, 05/13/2017 - 21:32
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2nd cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
My 2nd cycle is going very well. I'm learning more about how I respond to different things. My first cycle was just Test E at 500/week for 12 weeks. I loved it other than the water and fat I picked up. I reworked my diet this cycle and I'm much happier. I started with 30mg of dbol prewotkout and 500 Test E/week. Did the dbol for 4weeks. I was aware of the potential water and fat build up so I kept my carbs at around 1.5grams per lb of body weight. Protein at 2grams per pound and fat at .75. Great results! Strength and size have shot up while keeping the water and fat under control. I'm on week 9 right now with 400 test E/week and 300 test P/week. I've found my body responds better to the short ester. I'm having a blast! Cheers!
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RustyhookerFix your pct. The rest....smh
What would you recommend? I didn't think anything was wrong with my pct. Its the same thing I ran last time and it worked great.
This is some stupid shit. I can see running prop last couple weeks on its own before starting pct. Starting off slow acting esters only to run prop along side of test e. Can only imagine the pinning schedule. Der....700 mg working better than 500 when I hit myself with 300 mg fast acting ester mid cycle. Troll or mentally challenged?
Learning. Thanks.
Awe, you did handle that very nicely.Now I feel a little bad for being mean, but you should have learned a lot more before your first cycle. Learning as you go can fuck you up in so many ways. So maybe not a troll after all, just inexperienced. So, I'm a little afraid to ask but, what is your plan for pct? Have you gotten blood-work? Do you have an a.i. on hand in case of estrogen gets too high (which you would know if you have gotten blood-work)? Keeping an eye on BP?
Pct will be clomid 100 100 75 50. I have anastrozol on hand. I check blood pressure daily. Not because I'm worried but just as good practice. I take very good care of myself. Honestly I don't think 700 test a week is an astronomical amount. I have no interest in going any higher trust me. I've found what works so I'm not changing anything any time soon.
BendTheBarbellI am +1 this comment because you are saying you arnt doing higher doses cause you know what's working for you. Some guys think more is always better. I recommend throwing tamox in your pct and maybe some ZMA and d aspartic acid but only cause that's what works for me. I also think you have an open mind and you take the criticism well. There are guys on the board who act like they know a lot and others who KNOW A LOT lol. I'm not either I'll tell u I'm still learning everyday also but keep that good attitude and you will climb to great heights dude.
Much appreciated! I'll do some research on those right now. Like I said I'm just doing what I know works for now. I've really only increased my cycle by 200mg when the dust all settles. I really don't think I'm doing anything extravagant. Any other pointers you got I'm all ears. Cheers!
BendTheBarbellPeople usually just don't like seeing unconventional stuff done especially for the first couple cycles. IMO throwing test p in a test e cycle if u don't mind the extra pinning is just a blend of esters which ppl do frequently. Like mixes of tren e and a, or sust, it would Have been typical to just throw it in the beggining if that's what you were gonna do or just got your hands on sust. But I don't see it hurting you.
To err on the side of the board though it would be whove of you to research the hell out of anything first before you put it in your body. The HPTA is a complex thing that isn't fun if we mess it up.
Personally where I screwed up was starting my first cycle too young, when I joined this board I was "enlightened" by the knowledge here and lots of dudes helped me out a lot with what I thought at the time was alright dosing protocols or pct protocols cause it "worked for me" but sometimes there are BETTER ways of doing things.
I know this is long winded. Lastly... Cycle logs are typically made for you to layout what you plan on doing before you do it so vets on here can help you tweak the loose ends to help you plan more accordingly to your benefit. Before and after photos can be placed and such.
Good luck on your journey man
Thanks! Your insight helps! My next cycle won't be till around August or September but I'll definitely post it before I start to get feedback.
The only dumb thing I saw was the introduction of prop for no reason. Not even to taper just straight up throwing it in there lol. Other than that, yeah. +1 to offset the neg. Not sure what that's about
BendTheBarbellMaybe if he couldn't get sust and that's all he could get. Or if I was in that situation I would take my weekly planned mg dose. Multiply by 7 ( for how many every other day pins over two weeks. ) and divide by two. And that'll give me my goal EOD mg amount desired. And draw whatever amount from the test e and test p from the beggining of the cycle in the same barrel. So if I WAS gonna do 700mg a week
So 1400 divide by 7 is 200mg EOD injections. Just draw 100mg from each vial.
You think that would have worked better? From the beggining of the cycle
I don't think it's an astronomical amount either, but 700 test e (350 x2) or test prop (100 x7) makes much more sense. Even if you do prop eod, you're pinning schedule has to be wacky. Your clomid dosage is a bit unusual but should do the trick, might want to consider nolva as well.
Bear in mind that blood levels will be considerably higher with the prop at the same dosage because of the mass of the respective esters.
I meant not astronomical if he ran 700 just test e or p one or the other. He definitely hit a nice spike when he introduced the p in this scenario. I know due to ester weight prop has a little more test per volume. Would matter more if he actually switched right over to prop only from e. Imagine that?
Never thought of that pin schedule, thanks. Yeah that's the pct I did my first cycle and it worked great. I took 4 months off before starting this cycle.
Nice to see you can handle criticism with grace
Impossible to say you respond better to test prop than test e since both are being ran alongside one another. You jacked your test dose way up when you introduced the prop, regardless of the esters. Of course you're noticing a response.
Interesting choice of words.
KMJacobswhy the test P at the end , and why so much?
I didn't start it at the end. I started it at week 6. The dose seems to be perfect.