-1 1st time back on in 10 yrs
Currently 6'2 175 and 28. Very clean diet, but also on adderall so leaner than i would like. Did a cycle in high school (i know DUMB!) and college both with no PCT (no access). I was taking all mixtures of test from test-e to start out to T-400 in colllege and got up to 215. I want to do a great lean cycle to put on a solid 15-20 and have considered a couple blends like TestE 300+ Deca 300 or a Tren- e 200 + Masteron 200 + Test-e 200 blend. No problems with any of the earlier cycles aside from being yound and dumb and no PCT!
** Keep in mind the cycle below 600mg= Test 200mg+ Tren 200mg+ Mast 200mg
I wanted to keep it low the first 2 weeks to see how I handle the Tren, being that its an Enanthate and I wont see much sides until wk 2 or so...right?
***Also considered supplementing with a little more test...maybe an extra 100-200/wk
****and I have read conflicting articles about the necessity of using both clomid and nolva for PCT
| Week | TrenE/MastE/TestE 600 blend | HCG | Arimidex | Nolvadex |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | |||
| 2 | 600mg | .5E3D | ||
| 3 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 4 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 5 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 6 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 7 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 8 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 9 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 10 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 11 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 12 | 1200mg | 500UI | .5E3D | |
| 13 | .5E3D | |||
| 14 | .5E3D | |||
| 15 | 40mg | |||
| 16 | 40mg | |||
| 17 | 20mg | |||
| 20mg | ||||
| 20mg | ||||
| 20mg |
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AnonNo I decided to heed the advice of you and others and run test-e only with hcg@500iu/wk and .5 arimidex E3D. Clomid and Nolva for PCT...Should I run 500,600, or 750 on the test and either 12 or 15wks...havent decided. Just for future planning, what should I consider for my next cycle? I also have dbol that I was going to frontload this cycle with but again was advised to hold off.
Also.....very glad you reconsidered. I'd rather get ya grumpy but thinking that see you error and have horrible cycle.
500/wk and you'll grow suprisingly well. It takes up to 5 Weeks before you blast off. The first few you'll notice some weight gain and some strength. Overall...if diets/hard lifts are on i don't see why you wouldn't keep a solid 15. Just go 12Weeks so you experience good gains and your recovery on pct won't be as difficult.
12wk cycle plus 4wk pct is basically 16Weeks natural. Personally id save the dbol for third cycle if that third cycle is for a wet bulk. Dbol works well but its just not as dry/solid. Second cycle is typically prop and test so you get the injection experience and quick dry gains.
Third cycle kicker dbol and test if the above mentioned is the goal. By third cycle you really are aware of how test reacts for you. So you can go dbol...or others then look at test/eq. Many options. Im a believer in not going heavy til you have to in order to grow. Or body then requires big mgs to even spark growth. Some third cyclers even consider their first cutter cycle too. Simple test/Winny....
AnonGreat feedback! Couple questions....1. Wait till wk 14 to start PCT on a 12wk Test-E cycle right? 2. Im gonna start HCG either wk 2 or 3 @250iu 2xwk...Ive read about running this right up to PCT or stopping at last test pin?? 3. On the 2nd cycle you referenced (prop and test) were you saying test prop or what...confused? Im definitely not concerned with bulk...i dig more of the clean vascular look...which doesnt make sense, given the dbol...learning the hard way as always
Sorry.....stoplight texts. Test e 1-12........prop 1-4. Dbol isnt good for vascularity of course while prop is. 3rd cycle you're familiar with pins and test.....can try cutter. 1-8 test prop and var or Winny. Some try it second cycle but many pins kinda sucks. Would suggest oral Winny with that so you're not human pin cusion
Ive seen folks starting on week 3-4. The test will be kicking in about that time and it'll help keep them full. Yes...250iu biweekly. Run your ai during hcg run as it can convert to estro. A good ai will keep that in check. If you notice a lot of testicle shrink you can run hcg til 4days prior to your pct on week 14. AI MUST BE RUN with hcg......even if in Weeks 12-14. Typically 4-12 with ai and you're ok.
Test/test prop. Sorry for my slang. Prop for the first four allows pinning and site rotation practice plus your test is up FAST. Not advised for first run because many pins really gets sore. Even if the prop isn't one that has pip(pain). Other reason is with test up rapidly....you're not used to the surge. Sometimes a fast surge gets test flu. Ya feel like a cold/flu coming on. I still lift thru it as it isnt usually more than that precold bleh.
you need a sweet diet bro
AnonYeh no doubt...I was dumb and played the hi protein low carb thing for awhile and leaned out bigtime (probably too much), so now ive upped my brown rice,sweet potatoes, and oatmeal...any suggestions of other clean carbs to add to the mix? Bout to start my first cycle in 10yrs (Test-E) either 12 or 15 wk....cant decide...probably 12 is enough
I think you should just take test, if your goal is to only gain 20 lbs. With test you should be able to hit 210 no problem.
Test can give you lean muscle no problem. Why do you need tren and masteron?
I too take 40mg adderall each day so I know how it goes. You should be able to hit 200lbs natural at 6foot 2"
AnonIMO ive done the research on Tren and Masteron and both seem to be well dosed between 200-400/wk...I understand your point of cycle only Test 1st and that I didnt come off properly, but isn't the test 1st thinking to assess a knowledge of your bodies reaction or is this completely necessary to set the stage for future cycles?
In reality this will be your FIRST cycle. Tren is for advanced cycles.
That cycle is complete crap!
Test only!!
1-12 test e/cyp split
Anonany reason why you say this is crap? what do you think about deca/test
An easier answer would be to just post this link
plenty of great info from a seasoned individual.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/whats-with-all-you-young-p...
Thanks bro!
The roid of choice...the milligram chosen...the fact you're a newb. The medical fact that first time run is test only. Your prior two runs were not correct. The fact you're not cycling or experienced.
Tesy only! First time cycle done correctly.