posted Fri, 01/08/2016 - 22:19
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1st Cycle with Primobolan only and a BIG mistake
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
It was my first cycle, so i wanted something safe. But even with a safe drug like primo, i messed up when i listened to my trainer saying i don't need pct. So here i am, looking to fix it back.
Next cycle i'm not pinning before asking eroids fellas first 
| Week | Primobolan Depot |
|---|---|
| 1 | 300mg |
| 2 | 300mg |
| 3 | 300mg |
| 4 | 300mg |
| 5 | 300mg |
| 6 | 300mg |
| 7 | 300mg |
| 8 | 300mg |
| 9 | 300mg |
| 10 | 300mg |
| 11 | 300mg |
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Ur estrogen is already low. Why run Tamoxifen? Tamoxifen doesnt do anything in terms of making ur body produce testosterone again, all it does is block estrogen in ur tits. Its actually a very old, shitty, and unsafe drug......in the past few years there have been a number of credible studies on tamoxifen and connection to breast cancer...yes i know it was prescribed to woman after breast cancer.
Anyway...
You do not do a "regular" pct now. You need a restart protocol, something used by endocrinologists who know their shit. Something like HCG 2500iu eod for 2-3weeks + 50mg Clomid/d.
Ur falling on the same mistake u did the first time man....ur listening to some ppl on an online forum, you really think eroids is smarter than ur trainer? I mean, eroids is the best place to get info but WHY trust us? Google this stuff man....play student for few hours, google this shit, read up on ur anatomy and physiology.......
You need to do research bro nolva does in fact signal lh production which signals testes to produce test...
Googling it creates even more problems. Everyone has a different idea of how things should be and most people don't even consider the possibility that they might be wrong.
Most blogs posts and articles has only one voice and that's the author's... So a forum like eroids can be a much better resource, since there are always people like you around who question other peoples recommendations and claims. That being said, if you have any good information source recommendations, i'd really appreciate some reading material.
Back to my health... i started clomid and tamoxifen because most people said that's what i needed. I'll see an endocrinologist on monday to make sure i'm not doing something wrong and to ask about hcg/restart protocol.
Is there any irreversible side effects to either clomid or tamoxifen after 4 weeks use?
You're responding to an idiot. Disregard all that he said.
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Which things was he wrong about?
Never use hcg during pct. it will keep you shut down. You can use it before and then do a traditional pct with Nolva and clomid, which had been proven to work for decades. Bloods are always vital.
Thank you, i'm holding onto my routine with clomid and nolvadex.
heres the truth man....half these people dont even workout. theyre just lik ur trainer....u wana trust em go ahead.
I was right about evrything i said man. Its UR health, do you want ppl to interfere with it? I mean u already let that happen with the person trainer, look at the results, now u wanna do it again but supposedly with a "smarter" crowd?? Go to a doctor man.
And im never wrong about anything, im half the age of these guys and look way better, and i bank expontentially more than them so they just hating on me.
Wrong about the nolvadex for starters.
please, which part am i wrong about exactly?
You say nolva is useless. It's been used for YEARS as an effective part of any pct profile. It's also used in small doses during cycles to block gyno. I've never heard of any bodybuilder getting breast cancer. Should I go on? Your heart is in the right place trying to help the guy out but bottom line is you do not have the experience or knowledge (yet) to be spewing out shit all over. I've been friends on ER with you since you started bro, how many cycles and proper pct under your belt do you have to give this guy advice? And if you are correct, please post up a link to where you got your info on nolva. Be safe bro
Get a refund from your trainer. He don't know shit and is probably milking you like there is no tomorrow. The only time you don't need pct is when you're on trt/hrt. Always have a testosterone as a base. Spend some time in forums and educate yourself before you put any substance in your body blindly trusting a guy who you met few weeks ago. You can start here:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
I'm a bit scared to use test at all! I don't know if my fear is unwarranted, for example if i had run this cycle with test instead of primo, i would have been a wreck now, right?
bigmurphYou're a wreck now and you didn't run test so thats why you need test with all cycles and you have to run cycles the write way here is some good reading for you
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ma...
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/better-basics-for-the-...
Your trainer gave you that cycle to run and said you needed no PCT? I hope you have found a new trainer. I am assuming you are a guy.
Crazy right? Can't trust anyone, i've had more than hundred hours of training with this guy, made him a lot of money and he messes me up like this... I only hope i didn't mess something up for good...
Yes, 28 year old male.
It's been 4 months since last injection and i'm starting the pct now, thanks to good people of eroids...
Clomid and nolvadex for 4 weeks
Bro of it's been 4 months since your last pin I wouldn't do any kind of pct or start anything without getting blood work. Hell, if your pin was 4 months ago your body is already back to normal or as normal as it's going to be. Primo is not very suppressive to begin with and 4 months have passed. Your well past the point of homeostasis. My suggesting. One go get bloodiest ASAP. Then me and a lot of guys more knowledgable than me can help of its needed. Second. I would do a good 6-9 months of research on Aas before even touching it and that's solely depended on many more variables that you will come to find out. Example. Your diet. Your training. Your current body composition. Your age. Etc etc.
Have you read my reply to makwa?
Have you gotten any bloodwork done to see where your T levels ahd LH and FSH are at? That will give you a good idea of what type of PCT you should do. You may not need to do a full blown PCT.
Yes, one year ago my testosterone level was 4.72
12 days ago my bloodwork came back like this
Estradiol (E2) 5.0 pg/mL
Testosterone Total 2.31 ng/mL
Free Testosterone 5.39 ng/mL
Then, the doctor was curious and concerned so he ordered a more thorough bloodwork.
Albumin (Serum) 4.4 g/dL
LH (ECLIA) 3.6 mIU/mL
Free Testosterone Index 27.48%
Bioavailable Testosterone 1.5 ng/mL
Testosterone Total 4.64 ng/mL
Sex Hormone B.G. 58.6 nmol/L
rocketballzWait. Is the total testosterone 2.31 (which I think would mean 231) or is it 4.64 (which I think means 464)? How much time between the first blood test from the doctor and the 2nd more thorough test? Something is off here. I see no problem doing a pct. You may not even need a whole month of pct but just to make sure your pituitary is back on track maybe think about a couple weeks of clomid and nolva at 50mg clomid and 20mg Nolvadex. If you have already recovered then doing this protocol will boost your lh fsh, and test production to elevated levels, but probably still within normal ranges. It's kinda like adding a turbocharger to your pituitary to boost lh production which in turn produces more testosterone.
Well here's the whole story since you asked, but be warned it's a long story.
The first test was done only for three things, estrogen, free testosterone, total testosterone. So when they all came back too low the doctor couldn't believe it and asked me to give a blood sample again.
The second testes blood sample came back with the 4.64 testosterone level.
So he couldn't believe it again :))) He said it's impossible for test levels to change this much by itself. Asked for both blood samples be tested again, amd the results came back the same. So the results are no lab error.
But i couldn't make sense of it so posted them both.
Test values are in ng/mL
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