+ 1 Dabbled in TRT. Var, EQ, NPP on my radar. Help!
Hey guys, first post here, or any steroid forum.
Anyways - I’m 26 and have been on “TRT” for approximately 8 months. The standard 200mg of cypionate for a while, then 220mg for the past 2 months or so. 220mg seems to be the most I can take without starting to have somewhat puffy nipples. Granted, I was about 22% BF when I tried 280-300ish for a week. About 198 now and 18%.
I plan on cutting down to maybe 180-185. Looking to add a second agent to my protocol. I would like to keep the doses conservative and health conscious. I never plan to step on stage, don’t have social media or anything. No need to push it. I’m in this for the long game. Want to be healthy and performing later in life.
1 - Anavar: No real downsides to this option other than availability on the site I use. A bit expensive too. Maybe it’s worth it?
2 - Boldenone: Was thinking about running this at 150-300mg for 20 weeks. I’ve seen people say ideally we want a 2:1 ratio in favor to test. I have no interest in raising the test dose. Is it a real concern I could crash my estrogen using 220mg test and 200EQ, or just bullshit? Is it even worthwhile to use that dose? Would I see noticeable changes in my physique? In your experience, is it hair safe? That is also an important factor in my decisions. Pretty gay, I know.
3 - NPP: Would this be prudent? Adding 50mg - 150mg a week for how many weeks? A big enough dose? Better or worse than EQ? Is it likely I would encounter prolactin or estrogen problems with NPP?
Additional context: I’ve been lifting for 6 years. Can rep 3 plates on bench, 4 on squat, 2 on overhead press, 4 on deadlift. I eat a clean diet and take 3g of fish oil, amongst other basic supplements you’d expect a lifter to take.
Thank you for the input, apologies for being long winded.
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Your trt dose is twice what it should be.
Personally, I try to run the least amount possible to maintain proper function vs running the max I can wo experiencing side effects. If you want to live, id go for health > gains. Try sticking to 100mg a week.
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Don’t take anything and refer to makwas forums. I’d say you’re still a solid year away from doing anything let alone trt.
1 - Anavar: lower HDL and raises LDL. HDL can crash 30+ percent. You’re already kind of fat. Post your bloodwork.
2 - EQ: can be brutal on Hematcrit.
3 - NPP: low mid doses might help / mask joint pain. Are you sure you want to mask potential joint issues at your age?
Notice I didn’t talk about you getting man-tits. I talked about your long term health which is something you have glossed over.
You need to drop to real trt (100-125mg a week MAX) for 6-8 weeks and then get a real full bloodpanel as a baseline.
Run 500 or 600 test first. If you run EQ I would run 500 test and 300 EQ. If you go with npp I would run 500 test and 400 npp. Weekly doses. Just doing 100 or 200 mg of something is going to be underwhelming.
Reading your post and all the comments, it seems like you need to do more research before you do anything else. It’s good you are having a discussion but you come across defensive on a post asking for advice. Almost like you aren’t hearing what you want to hear. Keep researching these compounds and reading previous posts. You seem to have your mind made up about starting trt so early in life so that’s not worth diving into but some more time learning would do you a ton of good. Everybody has to figure it out on their own but there are good reasons for these cycle guidelines and you will see why. It’s easy to get caught up in all these different compounds and want to race to try them all but you are super young. You have so much time to do it right for a very long time. Just be 26. Most of the dudes on here have seen a thousand new guys with that same mentality and you can find your exact post over and over.
I am going to be blunt, just no like you are way short and fat and no wonder why your nipples are puffy. You claim you are eating a healthy diet but your stats are saying otherwise. For fucks sake, why are you doing your own TRT at 26 years old? You are fucking up your life, do you even know what your Testosterone level is? With body fat that high and 250mg of test or more you estrogen is sky high.
Well, thanks for being blunt with me. I over bulked in the past. I wasn’t eating clean then. I’m now down to 198 from 217, 230 at my biggest. I fell for that dirty bulk bullshit. Never doing that again. Also, don’t know if I’m fucking up my life. As far as fertility goes, I already have several children. I know that’s not the only concern though.
-- what @Aggieguy guy said, what does your bloodwork say? Without it you’re guessing and that is not smart.
Well dude honestly Test is not good if you are over weight because it aromatizes to estrogen more easily. You say you are in this for the long run, well you are on a bad path already. You need to know your test levels before you even get on testosterone then you need to decide if you are going to cycle or cruise on it.
Let me make sure I’m understanding your experience so far. Just test at doses up to 300mg ew? And you’re trying to figure out what to try next?
200mg of eq isn’t going to do much of anything. 50-150mg of npp will make your joints feel great if you have bad joints but that’s it. For NPP you’ll want to start at 300-350mg ew. 100mg EOD is a solid dose. Test should be atleast the same though many guys have issues at 1:1 and need to be more like 1.5-1. For EQ 400-500mg is about the lowest that’s worthwhile. It affects everyone’s estrogen differently so you won’t know that until you try it. Boldenone itself doesn’t act as an AI, one of its metabolites does so depending on how much the body converts it into this metabolite and how your body reacts to that metabolite will determine how much it lowers your estrogen. But you want to be around 1:1.
But if you’re only experience so far is testosterone at up to 300mg ew the next thing you should try is test at a higher dose. If you want to ever dabble in other compounds you’re going to need to learn how to handle higher doses of test. Recommend first cycle is 500mg ew. since you seem to aromatize heavily you’ll need an AI like arimidex or aromasin with nolva on had just in case you get gyno and need to quickly stop it dead in its tracks. I definitely wouldn’t jump into something like NPP yet. Then you’re dealing with possible prolactin issues. An effective dose of EQ will put you at like a gram of gear which is too much for someone brand new to this. Get your BF down another 3-5% and you’ll likely have less estrogenic side effects.
Thank you for your response brother. Yes, essentially my test experience is 200-220mg weekly. I tried 280-300ish for like two weeks and ended that experiment quickly. So, essentially I can’t really know what will work until I try. Anavar seems to be the safest bet, I’d rather not exceed a half gram of gear for health reasons. I think you’re right about the NPP, too many variables for an inexperienced user. I’m still interested in EQ. I value your experience and input - but I wonder if your (seemingly popular) opinion on the low dose EQ is distorted by your expectations of a cycle? Like, if an Olympia winner was asked about 500 test + 500 EQ with nothing else they’d probably say it’s a weak cycle, right? Like, 200mg would have to do something?
Any other compound recommendations? Hair safe and mild?
In my experience with eq it never lowered my estrogen much at all like everyone says. And I've ran it higher then my test before. I dont think you will see much any benefits at all with that 200mg dose. You would be better off running the low dose npp if you're wanting to run something that will give you a slight bump up.
You think prolactin/estrogen side effects are unlikely?
Given your above info...do not use anything. Your doses of 'trt' isn't even logical.
Are you going to explain why?
Estrogen control. Magic pills. Been on cycle for months already.
Ranger3252Everyone is an expert until they don’t even know what the fuck they are even talking about. 26 years old “and never coming off test.” SMH with this lesser generation.Type words into Chat/AI and post, getting ridiculous.
jitterbug128Huhwuh
Well, I don’t plan on ever coming off test. Also, no complaints about estrogen since I found the dose I’m comfortable with. Not sure what you mean by magic pills, I know steroids aren’t going to magically make me lose body fat or weight. That’s not what I’m looking for. Just a bit of fullness, maybe a mild recomp effect while eating at maintenance. Maybe waiting until after my cut to introduce a second compound for a slow, conservative bulk.