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OSG generously let me tryout Nakon Medical's HGH, through a promo. Overall experience: I honestly can't think of anything more OSG could've done to improve upon my experience with any of the following categories, of which I'll further detail in this review.
I was already running quality GH when I received the promo package. Immediately, I switched to Nakon Medical's once in-hand. For sake of time (re: determining the quality of Nakon Medical's GH), I ran 6-8iu's the first couple vials. I ran 2iu's before cardio in the morning and 4-6iu's before bed at night. After roughly 3 days running that dosage, I started experiencing the effects I'd expect from quality GH, in the sense of increasing my dose (from my usual 2-4iu's) without tapering up. Effects being, water retention (especially around my ankles), increased fullness while also appearing even leaner than before, and super good sleep. My skin looks glowing so-to-speak. Zero acne. After 1 week in, the aforementioned effects were so apparent, more than a couple people - in and out of the gym - commented on how improved my physique appeared, moreso than my average look which I'm already very proud of. Bodybuilding over 20 years now and incorporating mma the past 10 years.. The doses I run are hardly ever more than "trt+" as they call it nowadays. Meaning, my physique stays within 10lbs of weighing 210lbs usually. I jumped +6lbs on the scale after the first week, at which point I scaled back my daily dosing to 4-6iu's. Considering the water retention needed to subside, which it did. Currently, I'm still running Nakon's GH and loving it.
Ordering could not have been any smoother or quicker. Communication and customer service couldn't have been any more expedient or kinder. Very impressed with how courteous OSG's communication is, especially considering i was ordering on a promo.
Get this: I received OSG's package quicker than I received a separate order that I submitted BEFORE OSG accepted my promo order/submission. Wow, i was pleasantly surprised and impressed. And the packaging couldn't have been any safer or more discreet.
I would replace the word "cheap" with very reasonably priced, and excellent quality. I never take for granted any opportunity to participate in promos. This was the first time any supplier let me tryout HGH on a promo, so as one can imagine, I was very thankful. For such a prominent supplier, its amazing OSG is able to run the entirety of their business at such an incredibly high level.
Thanks OS gear always a great experience with no issues . Fast delivery , discreet packaging and quality products.
Ordered all Nakon products :
Test E 400- high mg test so little bit of a bite , but nothing you can’t handle . Oil was nice gold color , no floaters . Used it at .25ml twice a week following a sustanon run to get me back to my trt dose . Worked as it should kept my libido up, and me feeling good .
Sustanon - one of my favorite products ran it low dosed at .3ml a day for ten weeks , little bit of a bite from the prop but great product , clear oil no floaters , strength was up , recovery was great , packed on about 8lbs clean with good diet and heavy training .
Dbol 25 mg - was thrown in as a free gift which was awesome , started at 12.5 mg/day for first 4 weeks of cycle . At week two bumped to 25mg/day . I had noticeable increase in strength and size , def held some water and got a little puff but nothing some nolvadex couldn’t help with , quality tabs nicely presses and easy to break .
Viagra 100- potential stuff still have some because I can’t use every day without killing the wife. Normal stuffy nose from it but man I was rock hard ready to go !
Always smooth ordering and delivering , threw in some free dbol with the other which was a bonus for me .
Discreet packaging , super fast delivery within 5 days . Never have to worry about this companies delivery the pack will get there on time .
Great products , big selection , all around great place to do business with , I highly recommend!
Thanks to Osgear for allowing me to join Promo. Went very smooth and easy. Product received was 3 x Nakon Test C250, Nakon Oxy 50mg, Nakon Cialis 25mg and 2 Nakon DBol 50mg ( 1 was free gift ). Overall experience was top notch and website was easy to navigate. International delivery was fast and packaged very well.
Was using another sources Test E250 which tested very good after blood work. Now switching over to Nakon Test C250. Absolutely no change what so ever to overall feeling and wellness. My libido was still great, mood was still elevated, and my strength stayed after the switch. However the cypianate seem to have a little more kick or punch than the enanthate from the other source. Dosage was 500mg per week ( 250mg Sunday and 250mg Wednesday ). Oil was smooth, no pip.
2nd week I added Anadrol 50mg ( split the 50mg tab ) at 25mg in morning and 25mg early evening every day. Strength went up and got a little aggression during training. AD50 does not affect my appetite.
Initially started the using the Nakon Dbol 50mg and Cialis 25mg ( half tab ) for pre-workout. However, I started feeling light headed midway through workouts, because blood pressure was getting low, due to too much pump supplements. Had the lower the Dbol tabs to 25mg, and cut the Cialis in 1/4 tab, no issues after that. This Nakon Cialis 25mg is very strong. Would also use 1/4 tab of cialis every now in then for BP control.
Customer service was perfect. The website was easy to use, posted the tracking# when package was shipped. So nothing else was needed from me. Just sit and wait for delivery.
Delivery was fast for international order and the contents was packed safely, and package was discreet. Shipping delivery was 14 days.
Its obvious why this source is rated number 1. Customer service is top notch, and besides being generous, are in it for long haul to satisfy their customers.
OS let me in on there promo. Very satisfied with my experience.
Site was easy to use and to put order in. Got updated with tracker and the package was the best stealth I've seen. Been ordering off Eroids for over 10 years.
I ordered Deus Medical Products on promo.. I've used Deus products in the past.
Dianmed 20mg tablets - I used 20mg as a preworkout 4 times a week. Got a great pump in the gym, small bit of water weight. Not to much as only using 20mg. Very effective Dball.
Ciamed 5mg tablets I have to say I loved that they where 5mg. No need to split tablets. I usually take 20mg of another labs as there to small to split.. 5mg I got a great pump during my workouts. Used 10mg on girlfriend and I was well impressed. Felt Ciamed at 10mg was more potent then 20mg of other labs I had been taking.
DHB 100mg was more of experiment for me. I had heard of the dreaded pip from other users. So I didn't want to invest money in a product that I might not be able to use. This promo suited me to try it as a promo.
I mixed the DHB with Test 250 from another brand. I had zero pip from the product. I had fuck all hair shedding which was also another reason I wanted to use this product. Primo I tryed and had awful sheeding. I used this product for 7 weeks and had to cut cycle short. Due to getting a plate and screws in my collorbone. So I can't give a detailed review as it was only 200mg a week for 7 weeks. I felt good on it, I experienced very little negative
sides.
I'm passed in two weeks to start the gym and I plan on doing 400mg a week with test.. I will 100 % be ordering DHB and will give a proper detailed review of product after a good cycle.
Straight forward ordering through site, updated with a tracker and no communication needed. They run a smooth business.
I'm EU so order Deus as it ships from EU. I've I remeber right it was 8 days to my door once I received tracker.
10 plus years ordering steroids online. This is the most stealth pack I have ever received. I won't divulge method, if opened I'm sure it would pass customs.
Deus Medical is a top lab and very happy with products I tryed.
How do you feel on this stuff, tired, horny, aggressive, no change?
Halo 10 and Anavar 50 combined gave me agressive strength workouts with a proper fullness to help me bring my hard diet efforts together for a nice summer body look.
How much weight and/or size did you gain?
I lost bodyfat, and won a whole new physique ;)
How is your appetite?
My appetite was supressed
Body fat up or down?
Down, by over 5 percent.
PIP, Acne?
None, maybe one or two small zits.
Halotestin by Nakon, 10MG x 50ct
This was my favorite. The agression from Halo is u matched. Turns a man into a granite statue. I was happy to find this true.
Anavar 50, by Ultima
Another favourite of mine. Anavar adds a nice fullness and really helps polish everything up. Not quite as dry and adds the extra joint support.
Anavar was at 50mg daily and Halotestin at 10mg. Worked like a charm.
OS is nothing short of professional. Communication was easy, phenomenal to say the least. Always the pleasure doing buisness with the best!
Quicker than expected! 5 days from order.
Always grateful for the oppprtunity to participate in such a generous offer. The credit applied to my account was used dilligently. Thank you OS GEAR!
Really solid experience all around. I ran Ultima-HGH Fragment alongside pharma-grade HGH during a cut and the results were noticeable. Got leaner week by week and felt like the combo worked well together. Energy stayed steady and recovery was smoother than usual.
Ordered 5 vials of Ultima-HGH Fragment 176-191 at 10mg each. Dosed 500mcg twice a day fasted AM and again later in the day. Ran it alongside 4 to 5iu of pharma HGH and the fat loss was very noticeable especially around the midsection and love handle area. Sleep improved a lot I was waking up rested and feeling ready to go.
Ordering process was smooth no issues. Got confirmation right after payment and shipping updates came through clearly. Didn’t have to reach out for anything but all the info I needed was sent on time and easy to track.
Shipping was fast and packaging was clean. Everything arrived in good shape with insulation and vials secure. Labels were clear and everything looked professional. No damage good packaging.
Definitely a good tool for cutting especially when paired with HGH. Helped speed up fat loss without killing performance or muscle. Leaned out in all the right places and felt better day to day. Would run this again for sure during a prep or any shred phase. Just make sure diet and training are on point and it really shines.
Loyalty promo review.
MAST P... ULTIMA... X 7
I received 7 of mast p by ultima in the loyalty promo. This masteron works like it should. It keeps me in shape and avoids packing extra fat or water. In addition i do not have to use anti estrogen because it works for me as a strong anti Estro.
Ultima presentation, vials and oils are amazing. I never had any pip and from this mast i do not have pip too. It draws smoothly through 18g and injects like butter with 21 or 22 g to any muscle.
I highly appreciate this generous promo and loads of goods from OSGEAR. They are no doubt the number and best.
Professional, fast and takes care of promotions like no other.
Very discreet and no one can tell what was inside. It arrived very fast.
OSGEAR IS THE BEST !!!! PERIOD !!!!
I have had multiple orders from this source and have only had positive experiences.
Ultima-Cyp 250mg (Test Cyp)
They have been my go to source for my medication. I have been cruising on a TRT dose of 1mL (250 mg) weekly for a while, but started taking this most recent batch about 2 months ago. The clear fluid is smooth to draw and pin and I rarely get any PIP if I take my time and hit the right spot. I really don't experience too many negative side effects, except oily skin and an occasional zit on my upper back, shoulders, or upper arm, which lets me know it's real. My strength and libido have been good and I feel like I have more energy since starting TRT. Since I have been using this product I haven't noticed any changes compared to using other recommended brands. My sleep has been good and my recent blood work, from my medical facility, came back with no issues. I did change my diet, so I am losing some body fat. A little at a time, slow and steady. Overall I feel good because my mood has been positive, even my mental health seems to be in check.
Their costumer service has always been great. The communication has been good and the ordering process is easy. They have always gotten back to me quickly whenever I had to reach them and unlike some frustrated and entitled sources, they aren't rude. They have been very professional to deal with.
The international delivery seemed quick, about 2 weeks. They processed my order the day I submitted it and the pack was discreetly and securely delivered without any issues.
Their products that I have tried have been good and priced well. Can't go wrong with this source as long as they continue their high standards by taking care of their customers. Plus their Promos have been excellent. Ordering from them is a pleasure.
Review of osgear promo
2 x bac water
4 x ultima eq
Pros:
- vascularity
- endurance
- appetite boost
- boost in strength
Cons:
- Anxiety/insomnia/restlessness
- Blood pressure above normal range
Communicated back and forth to get in promo. Professional and responsive.
Discreet.
Arrived fast.
Generous promos.
Professional.
Recommended.
Osgear has always been awesome to me. The customer service and the professional way I was treated has made me a loyal customer
I ordered 3 vials of Nakon Sust 500. I felt great on this product. I made great gains on their Sust and my libido was extremely high which is great.
Ok this is where Osgear shines. I have always been treated extremely well by their customer service department. They never make me feel stupid for asking questions .
They also gave me a freebie of 50 twenty five milligram dbol pills. I was very thankful as I like keeping these on hand in case I crash my e2
Delivery was extremely fast. Less than a week and the packages where delivered sealed and boxed. Everything was safe and nothing was loose
You cant go wrong ordering from Osgear. They carry everything you need all in one place.
Osgear is my regular source. Package was delivered fast with no issues at customs. The gear is excellent as always and smooth to pin.
Deus Medical Test enanthate 250
Continuing on TRT+ dose 200mg per week until further notice. Hair loss has been minimum at this dose, strength and libido are great. Will be doing blood work soon to check lipids.
Communication went smooth. Great service and support, structured process so no complaints there. Additionally I have received an extra Dianabol pack as a gift.
Well packed in discreet packaging with a bubble wrap around the vials. I always order my gear well in advance of when I choose to run a cycle or for HRT purpose.
Overall I am very happy with everything in the process, as usual. I am using Deus Medical brand constantly, so I know it's a trustable brand. Osgear is one of the best sources.
Promo, website, and products were great.
Order Ultima Test E 250 and Aromasin Ultima has been a go to in the anabolic game for years. I’ve never went wrong with Ultima brand products.
These guys are always quick and professional and always sending a little freebie with orders.
2 weeks international to the US. It doesn’t get any better than that for an international order. OS team gets is done quickly.
Can’t go wrong with OS gear. They are the real deal. I can’t even count how many orders I’ve received from OS over the years and never had a problem.
Amazing. Osgear was the first site I’ve used in years trying to get back into it.
Ultima proviron 25mg, ultima aromasin 25mg, and I first ordered ultima test-c 200x4 but they were out of stock when I ordered. Osgear informed me of this and quickly got it reshipped with pharmaqo.
Proviron was a new one for me with all the mixed reviews but at 12.5 mg AM and PM ED has done me wonders for muscle hardness, libido, and overall mood. I started using this instead of aromasin as needed.
Pharmaqo test-c 200 at 300mg a week has skyrocketed my test. My levels are great and I started this “cycle” at >400 test and I’m at 2000+ as of a few days ago.
Absolutely great products.
The ordering process was quick and smooth. I’ve had several questions throughout the process and they’ve always reached out within 12-24 hours and handled things quickly and professionally.
I’ve gotten everything within 1-3 weeks. Delivery was easy, smooth and very discrete with proper packaging to protect product.
Absolutely my go to. Will order a lot more with time. I forgot to take another picture of the provision but I also had 200 tablets.
Osgear is the best all the way around.. The only thing is the lack of stock on popular items. High demand and popularity of their products..
Everything ive tried has been great. Ive put on 10lbs in muscle. Slept great and swx druve was perfect no sides at all..Tren,mastron,Primobolan,hcg,hgh,test e mixes ect. All have provided great results and thats why they have a 97% score..
Always respond in a timely fashion under 24hrs. Anything out of stock they send something by another vendor. They always reach out when that happens too..Overall experience with customer service has been fantastic.
Delivery is always on time and arrives in the time frame for international and domestic usa. Always packaged really good and hidden..More sites need to take pointer from osgear imo.
Ive made atleast 15 to 20 orders and i love the overall experience with them. There product are great too with great results . Im osgear for life now that napgear rippwd me off.
Great experience, haven't ever had an issue with OS. Will continue to order from them.
Ordered from OS:
4x - Nakon 3-test
2x - Nakon HGH
The test is quality stuff, feel more aggression in the gym. Weight is still the same, losing fat gaining muscle. Pretty high test concentration so a mild to none pip.
They definitely get back to you quickly if you have any questions, but seems like scripted responses. But they will help you out if you need it. Ordering process is easy and quick, tried a new payment method this time and went thru smoothly. The buy 3 get 1 free is a nice bonus.
Delivery on time and quick, domestic products within 5-7 days. Packaged good, everything came in great condition. Boxes all intact with no damage.
Prices are definitely fair and the quality makes it worth it. Don't have to stress about what you're getting. Will be placing another order when they get primo in stock domestically.
Osgear has been consistent for a long time, always on point and professional
2x Beligas Sustanon
1x Nakon Arimidex
1x Nakon Cialis
Beligas Sustanon: The effects are impressive, their sustanon is smooth and effective. I’ve had a noticeable uptick in libido, and energy. This one’s a keeper; it’s earned a spot in my stack
Nakon Adex: Gets the job done, keeps my estrogen locked in once everything’s dialed in. First time trying Adex from Nakon & it's as good as the other labs.
Nakon Cialis: I’ve been running 6.25 mg every other day—noticeable drop in blood pressure and the pumps are insane. Delivers results consistently, no surprises here.
Didn’t need to hit up customer service this time, but they’ve always been awesome whenever I’ve needed them before.
Got the package in two weeks, it came discreet and securely packed.
These guys are amazing! Always on time, never delayed. . Highly recommend. Customer service is quick response. Usually same day. Package is professional.
High quality product --
Always quick to respond. Usually just a day at most.
Very professional.
I like osgear allot. First source i used after getting back into juice after awhile and everything been good. This review is for promo, 3 tne 70 oxy 30. 3 sust 250.
Shipping great packaging everything g2g.
Ultima is what i used, everything is great. The tne oxy i packed on a few pounds of water in the first week. Noticed some strength gains. I liked it. The sust 250 is clean good test that gives that feel good wellbeing feeling.
Got a free pack dbol 25. Anytime I've had a question they answer the same day.
2 weeks total intl. In a box as always with osgear. Safe secure. Some sources send glass in envelopes. I don't like that.
This source can't go wrong especially when doing sales. Bogo on their top labs is like a steal.
Im a loyal customer for OSGEAR for many years already. Always satisfied with the gear quality, shipping, customer service. They provide an amazing service.
Test E, Tren E, Bold, Bolde
My cycle mostly consists of only few compounds in a low-medium dosages. Now I take 500 test/w, 250 tren/w, 300 bolde/w.
You can check my profile pics to see how I look, but now Im about 110kg, 181cm with a decent quality even after full PCT and for months of being completely OFF.
Very fast answers, helpful, reliable customer service. This is how it is supposed to look like!
Fast, discreet and they will give you some freebies as well!
I received many promo products, ordered many times throughout many years. I will be coming back for every promo, before every cycle and PCT. Never had a single issue with any of their products (and I have tried a lot of stuff, lol)
Just take your time, be careful with dosaging and compounds you take, work hard, eat a lot and you will have the same opinnion as myself.
Always running great promos and fast domestic shipping. Haven’t had a bad experience yet with them.
Ordered ultima armomasin , oxandralone, and some dues cialis.
Armomasin worked exactly as it should and kept my e2 in check. Oxandralone was great as well, had good pumps in the gym and definitely got leaner and felt strong. Cialis I take daily at 5mg and it has definitely helped with pump and keeping my bp in check.
Ordering was super simple and easy. They updated status of my order as it moved along in the process, overall a great experience.
Roughly a 2 week total turnaround for domestic, super quick and no complaints. Packaging was simple and discreet.
Good lean gains, while leaning our, almost a recomp but the fluff started to come nearing end of the bulk. no pip. Dried me out while keeping me full and controlling e2 mitigating need for AI. Lady was annoyed with how horny I was and commented increased girth im sure from the vascularity and fullness from the EQ. Gave me oily skin with bacne but nothing major just increased showering.
Would buy again.
Nakon Test e 400 - no pip, kept me horny and full
Nakon EQ 250 - super smooth, controlled estrogen, crazy pumps, vascularity that has stayed, increased appetite that helped with the bulk
Had 2 orders
1 arrived less than 5 business days
2nd was received by shipping but never moved after in tracking. Contacted support. Average return on message was 24 hours and they always respond. Reshipped a few days after initial contact. Unfortunately when received my pack it was a different brand then I ordered without warning. Reached out to customer service and they stated that they were out of stock so they sent that as replacement.
Source reached out and made it right
See above. Packages arrived. Customer service provided a reship. Discreet packaging
Source reached out and made it right
Good promos and sales. Would buy again. Gear is smooth and provides the expected results.
These guys are always quick to respond and have always pulled through on quality gear.
Ordered ultima products tren e and sust along with dbol, kicked off cycle with 500mg sust/ wk and 400mg tren e/wk along with 25mg dbol daily. Libido went up by week two with increased strength by week 3 tren sweats kicked in nothing terrible at the dose I ran but definitely properly dosed. Used the dbol just to help with e levels since tren bottoms them out. Gained 17lbs during 6 week cycle and vascularity definitely showed by end of cycle. Good quality gear and has always been from these guys
Quick discreet and great at answering questions timely
Quick and discreet less than 5 days to door
If you want good quality gear the guys won’t fail to impress
Customer service was perfect and ordering was smooth! Products worked awesome! Everything was great overall!
Test P-100 x 3, Test/EQ Mix 400x 1, Viagra 100 All Nakon
The test P was perfect for pre workout boosts and gave me the extra energy and drive! Tests/EQ really boosted my appetite and helped me start gaining a little weight. The Viagra worked perfectly and really increased blood flow everywhere. Overall gained only a couple pounds but appeared more cut.
D-nil was thrown in as a gift and customer service kept me updated through every step of my order and movement of my package. Perfect!
Package arrived within 2 weeks which is much faster than I was told it would arrive. Packaging was good, everything arrived in tact.
Awesome source! My definite go-to for everything.
Overall fairly smooth. But one of the products made me very sick and put me in the ER. It has been a little over a month and now I am very compelled to write a review based on what happened to me, as to help anyone else out there.
All Pharmaqo
Test E 300
Primo Depot
Anadrol 50
I used the Anadrol right away with a Test base (had two weeks of left over test supply that was not from pharmaqo). I gained 4 lbs in 3 days and that was with a slight decrease in calories as I knew I would add water weight. Started at 25 mg then built to 100mg split across morning and evening. One thing of note. I have suffered from severe restless leg disorder for many many years and nobody can figure out a fix. I tell you what has eliminated symptoms. Anadrol. haha
On to the key to my review. The Test E 300 made me very sick. I have been doing Test C or Test E for 18 months prior and this was the first time I felt any kind of T flu. And this was more like my insides wanted to explode and felt like I was a toxic mess. Lethargic, tired, and just miserable. I eliminated to the Anadrol to make sure it was the Test. It was. It was also the most severe PIP I have have ever had. Basically couldn't walk straight for 23-36 hours and looks like my glute is dark red, warm, and like it is holding a bag of water under the skin. At one point, I felt like my kidney was going to explode. I went in to the hospital to see if I had stones. He said no. But when he found out I was doing Test, he said that low quality with a bad carrier oil can produce a disease I hope I don't have. Rhabdomyolysis. He came back, and sure enough, I have the rhabdo. I am a 43 year old bodybuilder. I go hard, but nowhere near what should bring about Rhabdo. He said he is very confident it is from the bad Test.
I have Primo from the same company and am not going to use it. I am just going to toss everything. I personally would stay away from pharmaqo products. Although, the Anadrol was/is great. I have added a ton of size and strength. but the Test E has made me feel so gross.
Communication was fast and they let me know what was happening every step. I used Venmo, so there is a slight delay, but not too bad.
came nicely packaged in bubble wrap. turn around was 8 days.
Lovely experience with OSG .This was my first order and I wanted to start with compounds that wouldn't screw me up long term if I got something bad. So, I got some HCG and accutane (i was having acne beforehand). I figured these were safe to test. I ran HCG with Test P 100mg and my test was around 1300, which was slightly higher than before, and shows the HCG was working to stimulate the testes. I felt no negative side effects.
I knew the HCG was real because it did not come in liquid, but in powder form. mixed it with BAC water. Moreover, the accutane was clearly real, because my lips were dry within the first day haha, which is an expected side effect, and the accutane worked well to clear up existing acne.
I probably annoyed OSG my fair share with quite a few questions, and they were patient with me and respectful and helpful every step of the way. Grateful for these guys.
Packaging was concealed, got hear in a reasonable amount of time, and even got a tracking number. Very happy with the process
Overall, really glad to shop here and will again! Bloodwork below
Experience with osgear has always been nothing but positive. Never had issues with customer service, shipping or the products itself. I was honestly surprised about how fast they get the pack to your door.
I was genuinely impressed with the Ultima Sustanon 500 I got from Osgear. The sust was extremely potent and delivered exactly what you would expect. Injections were very smooth with minimum PIP. Would jab right in my shoulder with no problem. The semaglutide was really good as well except for the crazy heartburn I always get from it but that’s from any source I’ve tried haha it’s too good to ditch so I must deal with that. Steady strength gains, fast recovery and finally getting my arm muscles nice and full
Customer service is always fantastic. Very quick with communication, very easy to order and always throw in an extra something
Shipping is always fast and discreet. Both times the packages landed less than a week
1 Source for a reason
This was my first order in nearly 13 years and it was flawless. In fact I came back and ordered more a week or so later. Super easy to navigate the site and pick the appropriate product (s). Very smooth communication and EXTREMELY FAST shipping. Discrete packaging and I couldn’t be happier.
Test Prop
Anavar
I ordered lab tests prior to ordering my first cycle in 13 years. I can tell that this is the real deal with regard to both the prop and the var. Prop is easy to load and easy to pin. I had some pip in my right thigh but that’s because I haven’t used in forever. I’ve since been rotating between right and left thing and ass. I feel amazing!
Top notch
Discrete and safe
EXTREMELY FAST