Anavar and winstrol cycle too liver toxic?
I am considering running my second cycle as a 12 week cycle with 300 mg of test and then doing Anavar for weeks 1-4 and 8-12 with winstrol for 5-11. The Anavar and test is what I’d like to focus on so I’m wondering if the winstrol would be too much on the liver. It’s hard to get a gauge of what is too much. I’d also be using anastrozole for an ai and a clomid pct.
For some background, this would be my second cycle ever. Earlier in the year I did 12 weeks with 250 mg test and dbol. I forget the exact dbol dosing but I got really great results and was very happy. I’d like this cycle to be more of a cutting cycle.
Male
36 yrs old
6’1”
260 lbs
Lifting at least 5 times a week and getting a good 180 G protein a day.
Any feedback or assistance would be appreciated.
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260lbs? You are either jacked or overweight . I see you bf% is over 20%, so it's overweight. What you need to do is diet down to 10-12% don't even bother with winstrol or anavar. Even doing 300mg test at your bodyfat is risky.
anvilAre you getting blood work done? Because then you can gauge what's going on instead of guessing. At that high body fat anavar isn't gonna provide with visual results and winstrol since it is mainly used as a finisher, prolly does more harm than good for you.
Although you state you have lost weight while using steroids typical health markers for males of 20 percent are not ideal, cholesterol, a1c, blood pressure. So most of us here are advising based on being healthy, and risk mitigation. You don't need gear to lose weight and be healthy, you need proper diet, training and then add gear.
You mention a cutting cycle, that is solely based on macros, not on drugs. I can grow or get lean on most compounds , some do specific things better but it's diet based.
This right here. While steroids will increase the weight you lift which in turn will increase the caloric deficit on your body it’s not magic. You’re putting yourself in danger for something you can do on your own with just a little more time.
You’ll already have to diet right to lose weight.
Anavar isn’t known for its liver toxicity really but it does wreck your lipids.
”You’re putting yourself in danger for something you can do on your own with just a little more time”
Bingo. Steroids are a health risk regardless of how careful you are. Always blows my mind when people use them to achieve what could have been achieved without them
First of all. Thanks for inquiring here before moving forward doing things that you simply don’t need right now. Staying safe as possible and not hurting ourselves due to our own ignorance and/or being misinformed by others is top priority. Focus on your training/diet/rest/commitment before using any anabolics. Once you se you hav that part under control and reap the rewards from a dedicated lifestyle then start thinking about taking it to the next level. I’ve known plenty of people risking their health before prioritizing the important things first, only to watch them completely fizzle out and do unnecessary damage, which in reality they had no business messing with in the first place. I wish you luck, stay around here and pick peoples brains and take in everything. It will be a tremendous help and necessary tool for you on your journey.
Yes... What @23Sparta said. Way too much orals for a second cycle. And congrats on the weight loss, but you can do more without the gear brother. Also, with more weight loss comes greater results when do you run cycle. Compound aren't always the answer. I lifted for close to 30 years before I ran my first cycle. Maxing out genetic potential is so underrated. The easy way isn't always the best way brother! Now, you are gonna do what you are gonna do anyway, but listen to the guys. We're all here to help. Like Sparta said, at least take those supps and protect yourself cause this shit wreaks havoc on the body bro. Good luck in your endeavors! You got this
All wrong. Nutrition etc...smells fishy
Huh? Fishy? Salmon, tuna, sardines?
Yeah, I don’t like it at all. One oral at a time, and preferably spaced. It’s always astonishing to me how people will treat their bodies when it’s just a lifestyle hobby and they’re not competing, modeling, or making any profit from it. Thousands of milligrams of drugs, multiple orals, taboo, just to look great at the beach. I dunno, maybe I’m wrong, but it’s just crazy to me.
Same page. Enjoy the trip versus slave to the needles and pills.
Nah you're definitely not going crazy and if you are then we both are crazy. Dudes be popping orals like candy basically. Still haven't figured that one out. But hey guess they're immune lol. Maybe I'm outdated. But what do we know. Lol it's none of our business
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Let him have it fellas….
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imo that’s too much pill popping for one cycle
Your first cycle should have been test only
I find it concerning you can’t remember your dbol dosage
At over 20% BF your focus should be on nutrition and training NOT compounds
My memory sucks ass and I was too lazy to look up my logs. It was 25 mg per day for 4 weeks.
Nutrition and training is good afaik. I’ve lost 80lbs since Jan 23 so I’m feelin good there but that’s fair.
Message received on it being too many compounds. I was feeling like it was but good to get confirmation.
Respect on the hard work you put in to lose that weight
You can go a long way on testosterone alone. I would just stick with that. Continue to work hard and then as a reward throw your anavar in for the last four weeks. That way you fuck off your health markers right before you stop instead of at the very beginning of your cycle
Use some Tudca, nac, and r-ala with the var as well. Get used to shelling out the money for these ancillary supplements. They work
Make sure you pull bloods
I like that now that I think about it. Sounds a lot better than my initial thought. I appreciate it.
Astragalus root extract for kidneys and liver also. I ran some toxic cycles and still managed to have good bloodwork thanks to @press1 and his awesome post about organ support supplements. When I need to find it, I search “kidney and liver” and it’s usually the first to pop up. But like @23Sparta said, you should take it easy on the orals for now. They work great but are like 10x more toxic than injectables.