+ 1 Receptors burnt?
Hey need some help! Some back ground info, 50, was on gear 21-30 was 205lbs at 5-7, 7-10% depending on diet/ season. Took just about everything back then, even made tren from finaplex, you old guys remember --. Had kids took off 12 years, stayed in shape, went back on gear at 42 and was shredded, best shape of my life, not as heavy, maybe 190/195 but was down to 4-7% bf, winny var, gh, insulin, sust
Fast forward, pec tear at 47, come back by 48, back injury. Been back in the gym a year, 6 months on back on and had horrible results. Tried different compounds, tren and anadrol I still felt it but no where near before injuries?!?
Are my receptors shot or OMD (old man disease)? Strength blows,/ suspension and halo moves the needle but again 20% of what it did. Shit is not bunk, had my test levels checked there through the roof. Currently taking 400mg sust, 250 Dena, 400 mg od bold, upped to TWICE A week, with 40mg dbol all day, occasionally halo on lethargic days.. wtf?
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But could you out lift me ? I’m not so sure , what’s your max bench , dead and squat ?
Yeah your best bet would be deadlifts my dude.
I remember us talking about this. The heavy stuff isn't your thing and I can't blame you. Eventually takes a toll on the body.
Pmsl heavy stuff isn’t my thing I don’t train at max for one rep I do sets but that being said I’m benching around 400lbs for reps comfortably and I’m sure 1 rep max I’m not sure but I would says it going be north of 500 and that now not when I was a lad lol
Squatting you have absolutely zero none ziltch chance of out squatting me especially for 1 rep . If you thing you beat me and you want to make it interesting then let’s do this pm me but it has to be filmed and loaded up on here for the members to see from both of us
I mean you're almost 300 pounds so you more than likely can out squat me but on bench that's not gonna happen...but feel free to pm me my man.
Are you talking them benches were the backs arched to the moon or proper back flat to the bench down hold power up ? Bro I’m not trying be a twat you called me and my elephant arse out lol I do like you bro consider you a mate but …… I still think I beat you on a flat bench but we will agree to disagree
Nah Raw Competition style but Okay... Relax nobody calling u out lol. I hear ya man.
This age thing got you on the edge lol. We all age.
Nope I’m going start counting backwards from next birthday
+1 OK I'll will admit that only if you admit that you can't turn your head during a conversation when saying no, instead you have to turn your whole damn elephant sized body because you have NO NECK!.. I think we may have a deal lol. Basically a head sitting on top of your upper chest lolol.
Ya too damn big!
Brother it's like this...not that you're old but father time is undefeated. Now some guys get away from Father time for a bit but eventually it catches up to every human, that's life unfortunately lol. We can take all the vitamins etc and yes they will help, heck I've always taken care of myself with vitamins but we all have the same fate in the end whether you're a Mr. Olympia, a Champion Powerlifter or an athlete. All same in the end. As far as receptor burn out..that's debatable. It's thought that we create more receptors but some like myself tend to think we need to rest the receptors. I haven't used them but at 50 I would think that halo and Tren are pretty hard on your body.
Well said deeman, I think the biggest thing odd the mental aspect, young is wasted on the youth. I think having to ‘come back’ at this age was a huge factor vs maintain and slowly losing gains year after year. I get the age thing but it’s a kick in the balls just three years ago before injuries all was well…
As we get older 3 years can make a big difference in some guys my man. I know it sux. Hate to hear that about your situation.
And I agree maintaining but slowly losing would of been better. But keep up the physical activity. Wishing u well
From the way you are talking mate I am assuming you are measuring your progress by strength levels and what you can lift? If you are then you will find things are nowhere near as easy as they were when you were back in your 20's and 30's. Once you are into your 40's it becomes more about what level you can try and keep whilst avoiding injuries, existing or new ones. The body simply does not recover like it did when you were a young man - EVEN on Steroids. Your nervous system feels heavy lifting more and also takes longer to recover itself, as do tendons and joints. You can no longer just go into the gym and smash weights in whilst not following any routine or lifting programme - everything has to be carefully mapped out and finely tuned to be able to stay the strongest you can.
Paying careful attention to nutrition becomes even more important now too - start incorporating things like Collagen peptides in with your protein powders, as if your tendons are staying weak and sore for longer periods then you aren't going to be able to get the force transfer from the muscle to the weight as efficiently.
You tell your self that old fella … I’m in my mid forties and still progressing, not as fast as I was in my twenties but I done think that’s to do with age more to do with the level and size I’m at and progression gets slower when you get to that weight and size regardless of age.
Didn’t the blade compete in the Olympia at 51 and what about Phil heath wasn’t he mid-late forties when he came back after major stomach surgery and 2 years off and still place 3rd in the Olympia. I know them guys have freak genetics but it shows you what’s possible. In my experience I think your right about age limiting you and holding you back to a degree but honestly I don’t think it becomes and issue until you hit your 60s these days. I have a lot of guys in there 40s who are progressing really well and a few in there early 50s.
I think Greg doucette turned pro in his 40’s I think
Just look at his Powerlifting career though buddy - he was strong as Hell when he was a younger guy, now he is weak as shit from all the injuries he has got as he got older and was still trying to lift heavy.
It just depends man. For every guy I know that's progressing in their 40s-50s, I know another guy who is declining in their 40s and 50s. Just depends on the individual. And yes the Blade was definitely an exception no doubt.
Unfortunately, with age, everything goes much slower. I don't think it has anything to do with the receptors. I also took longer breaks in my youth, and thanks to muscle memory, I'm back in the same shape as before the break in a month. Now that I'm "a little" older, three months later, I'm not even half as fit as I was before the break, and everything from steroids is there + growth hormone, supplementation, nutrition, training... There is a reason that there are years that are the most optimal for top results in sport, so it is difficult to expect the same results at 20, 30 or 40 years old.
Do you not think that’s because you have been training that long gained the experience of what works for you and what doesn’t, so as you have got older your pushing your genetic limitations?
So like when I was in my early 20s and and weighed around 215lbs -220lbs it was easier for me to put weight on and get stronger , but as I gained strength and size it starts to become harder regardless of age. If I had hit 275lbs at 25 would I not have found it just as hard to hit 300lbs as I am now at 45 ? I think I would. This is an interesting topic and debate
anvilI am with Stokes!!! The heaviest I ever got was 258 and I was on a perma bulk in my 20s. I am 243 today and I would say nearly the best condition of my life at 48. Yes, all the power lifts are lower than in my 20s but I have way more muscle now. Slow down...NO
My man
So what would you say is the main thing that has allowed you to put a lot more weight on and keep it as you have got older? Did you weigh 220 when you were still natty or would you attribute it to the unspeakable naughty stuff?
I put it down to being able to live the life bro, as I’ve got bigger I’ve had to increase me calories and pacifically my protein intake, I’ve needed to train higher intensity to get results and needed more rest. I have been lucky being in the position I’m in business wise I have been able to live the life completely, I can take my time and meal prep with the wife and I can relax and eat several times a day with no urgency. Honestly sometimes I feel that full it can take me forever to eat a plate of chicken and rice or steak and potatoes but I’ll sit there until it’s gone. I also think having that many people around me training and using different labs and compounds all the time I get to see what’s good at the moment what’s working well together ect. I couldn’t hold or maintain this much mass working a normal 9-5 job and that’s the truth. Plus there’s the gear I won’t lie to anyone and I don’t recommend taking what I take or the quantities I take so I won’t post it here in the open but those of you who know me and chat with me privately know where and what I’m up to
I think I should come over and stay with you for a week mate - I'll be run around gym bitch and in return you can show me how to put 15lb's on LMAO
I'll try and eat every time you do
I do get what you are saying about being able to live the lifestyle throughout the day and having adequate time to do things. When you are able to work but still able to eat anytime you feel the need or have to and not be limited to just a single working hour for lunch (if you are lucky enough to get that even) it does make a MASSIVE difference in being able to keep higher bodyweight and continue to gain muscle, & never getting into a catabolic state. If you can eat every 2 to 3 hours you have it sorted, I guess also you are around a lot of other pretty big guys too continually given your job so its extremely inspirational to staying on the right track and doing everything optimally. When you spend your day around other people that don't lift and eat normally after a while you almost become to eat like them which doesn't work for progress.
Of course we all have genetic limits and you can't expect us to grow and gain strength indefinitely. After a while, regardless of age, you have to reach the wall, otherwise everyone would be Mr.O. Even if you are 20 years old, you can reach 80/90% of your genetic limit and that's it. Then you could think about receptors and all kinds of things, but that's simply your genetic limit and even if you raise the doses of everything abnormally from there, you will only have small or no changes in the future. After 40 years, essentially everything should come down to maintenance or possibly very small changes in body appearance/strength. I don't say that in the sense that you should give up, but realistically in any sport after 40 years it is difficult to produce top results. Of course there are exceptions, but very often they achieve results at the expense of their health and longevity, and most of us don't want that. Now, if I were to go back to my twenties with this knowledge about everything related to the gym, I would certainly have at least 20-30% better results.
Yea as far as any professional athlete, age definitely matters and that's a fact that cannot be debated. An older boxer for an example doesn't move around as fast, doesn't have those defensive reflexes, doesn't have the stamina or quickness like when that boxer was younger and in their prime. Now the absolute last thing to go is the boxers strength but that boxer is never the same as they were in prime years. Guys like Bernard Hopkins are rare. He was Champion in late 40s but that's not normal but he also started boxing later than most boxers. Eventually Bernard hit a wall and retired. Point is we can delay but age waits for no man.
Quote “ if I were to go back to my twenties with this knowledge about everything related to the gym, I would certainly have at least 20-30% better results.” or would you just have had them results sooner ? It’s easy to say if I knew then what I knew now …. But you don’t and you only know what worked for you by time invested and trial and error
Well, I think it would have been earlier and the results would have been potentially better, because I would have used the time when the body reacts best and perhaps fulfilled my genetic potential to the end if everything had been at 100% instead of 10%. I'm sure that the limiting factor for those 20-30% was my total ignorance of everything related to bodybuilding, at least for the first couple of years of training. At that time, the only source of information was a local magazine, and no one in the gym knew what creatine was and not steroids. Suffice it to say that the internet didn't exist back then LOL At least in my country.