posted Mon, 03/13/2023 - 21:09
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AAS worth using as a preworkout?
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I can't usually make it to the gym more than 3 times a week due to work. So I'd like to get the most out of those sessions as I can. Is there something I can take pwo that would be effective enough to be worth using? Currently on 200mg a week TRT. I'm working on changing the work situation btw.
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Pre-workout wise....nothing beats tren base with test suspension (both water based for best effects) Try if you haven't already done so and prepare for best workout of your life. TNE with some Halo is amazing as well. I can only imagine how many powerflifting/strongman world records were set/broken with combination of those compounds.
Test suspension is best
I never did tren base but I bet it's harsh. Halotestin will give the most aggression and strength but toxic
I agree, test suspension for the win absolutely. Most shy away from it due to pip and clogging issues, but I find that with a reputable lab that micronizes their solutions, clogging isn't an issue long as you shake, draw and inject immediately. Time is of the essence with test suspension and if you let it sit, it will clump and thats when clogging happens. You and I both favor a specific lab with amazing test suspension
Tren base isn't so bad, I don't use it nearly as much as i do test suspension and is saved strictly for legs/back workouts exclusively. Same with Halo, it is one of those " every once in a while" compound. I don't use dbol or winstrol much if any at all, Anavar and Halo are my go to for orals, with Maybe some good anadrol sprinkled in for 2 weeks at a time every now and again
Yea with test suspension you have to shoot it immediately after you draw it up and keep it moving lol
I'll fkn with a 22g if it's not micronized like our favorite brand
So I definitely had some runs with good ol TNE but never tren base. So you recommend both? At what dose brother? And I imagine tren base is pretty harsh, without getting into to much detail what’s your typical protocol when you run both bro? Sorry, I just want to make sure when I try it I do it the right way and experience what your describing lol
Fr accepted bro
Ive tried multiple pre workout sups and from what Ive found out anecdotally is that just drinking an energy drink or coffee is just as good so long as your are taking your health supplements as well like Carnitine, Arginine, vitamins Ect. I do a pre workout meal. about 60 grams of complex carbs, maybe a sweet potato, a banana and a small portion of chicken, turkey, or fish maybe. lots of sodium and water. Ill mix my BCAA/EAA with a gatorade and do 5 mg of cialis as well and I have a good pump.
A shot of caffeine is going to be your best pwo booster
I had a friend of mine that was taking Dianabol as a pre workout got huge pumps from it, or so he claimed. What do you think about that Makwa?
Your friend used 70's old school bodybuilders pre-workout.....dbol lol.
I get somewhat of a eurphoric feeling and the pumps from Dbol but it destroys my appetite so I have used it years and don't use it anymore. It has a very short half-life so acts pretty quickly so you can notice a boost as a preworkout. Best is probably TNE though. Shot of that and I don't want to leave the gym.
Facts. TNE or test suspension and it's go time. Test suspension hits much better for me though in comparison to TNE. Granted that the lab manufactures quality suspension and it's finely micronized to prevent clogging. TNE is convenient for when mixing the pre-workout along with you dose of injection (if it happens to fall on the day you chose to pin the pre-workout TNE)
I just don't like the burn when injecting susp. I have been stung by enough bees in my life
It does hit a bit quicker and harder though. I need to shoot TNE a good 2 - 2.5 hrs before my workout if I want it to hit at the right time. Seemed like I always pinned to early and the rush hit me after my workout and then I wanted to go back to the gym. Susp would be about 1 -1.5 hrs preworkout.
I personally like my test suspension 30 mins before lifting, but TNE 2.5 hours works great for me. I also only take test/tren suspension as pre-workout on back or leg days. I've tried it on chest/shoulders day but didn't feel as though it was nearly as effective when consumed before back or leg days. Much more noticeable with intensity/focus/strength increase with the bigger/major muscle groups.
Have you tried taking it sublingually. I couldn't really take it because just kind of felt crappy on it, and actually made my workout worse. now I take like 15 mgs under the tongue preworkout like twice a week and its completely eliminated all the negative side effects for me.
Yea I've tried it a few times but didn't get much out of sublingual. In my opinion sublingual is better if you have so called " soft binders." Alot of times orals do consist of hard calcium phosphate binders which make sublingual route a bit tougher.
Are you saying it would dissolve slower? or it would actually have some sort of impact on absorption and make it not worth taking it that route? Also I'm not taking it sublingual because it hits faster so i wouldn't really care if it takes longer but Im talking It that way because its easier on the stomach and just seems easier on my whole body, I think because its skipping the liver but I'm not entirely sure. The pills I have are super hard, almost impossible to cut but then dissolve super easy, its odd but whatever
It would just dissolve a bit slower with those hard binders that's all. So yea, like injections you would be bypassing the liver but this is the thing, everything eventually ends up in the liver. Drugs or substances are neutralized or detoxified by certain liver enzymes. So yes you would be bypassing liver at first but in the end that hormone is detoxified and broken down still making contact with the liver which adds to its daily stress.
I never considered this. Very good point. The Var I have are solid pills too so I imagine those would have calcium phosphate. I have yet to give them a shot sublingual but was considering trying soon as with other brands it’s been a good experience.
I'm not saying it won't work with those calcium binders, it's just usually any sublingual pill will dissolve somewhat fast because it has some binder like cellulose with xylitol or sorbitol etc that breaks down quickly and releases active ingredient. But heck if it's working for you then I wouldn't worry. Keep on keepin on!
No, I never tried it sublingual. I have just written dbol off my list. I don't like the sloppy weight and estro spikes from it anyway.
So with Testosterone No Ester, do you take into consideration your total test allowance per week? As in if I want to take 500 MGS of test a week in test E format would I subtract the TNE I’m using preworkout?
TNE is straight testosterone without any ester. In and out. Out of system faster if it's in an guaiacol base but if in mct oil base still fast acting but not as fast as guaiacol type base. Mct oil takes a lil bit longer to break down as opposed to guaiacol. Mct provides more of a sustained release.
Guaiacol base meaning mct base with guaiacol. Wording wrong.
Guaiacol is a solvent used to hold TNE in suspension and prevent it from crashing. Guaiacol is not a carrier oil.....MCT is a carrier oil. Guaiacol doesn't affect how fast acting TNE is because TNE itself is esterless. Whether its suspended in mct, gso, cso it will hit the same. The only solution that hits faster than TNE woud be test suspension due to the fact that it is suspended in water. @DeeMan
Any source care to comment on this?
I disagree about tne hitting the same in guaiacol/mct oil vs tne in a thicker oil like cso without guaiacol, simply because mct oil breaks down much faster than any oil..fact. Yea I know guaiacol is a solvent and if memory is correct I reminded you awhile back that it's somewhat water soluble. I appreciate the fact but it's understood that guaiacol holds and keeps test from crashing, that's the job of a solvent. It's also known that mct is a carrier oil but one that breaks down faster than any other oil. And yes it's already known that tne is esterless, so pretty much everything that you said is known. You have you opinion but tne in guaicol with a bit of mct will hit a bit harder than tne in mct/cso oil without guaicol. Any brewer will tell you that solvents help with depot release time a bit which is a secondary minor affect. It's obvious when you compare the two, tne in mct oil has a thicker viscosity, hence the thinner mct/ guaiacol tne WILL indeed hit faster. With guaiacol there is usually a small amount of mct oil also so again I stand by what I just said. Yes tne in guaiacol/mct will hit harder than tne in mct oil as I've tried both..Lastly it's a given that test suspension hits the fastest, it's in a water base man. That should be known by all. Again @diesel 77 we appreciate that info but most was already known and I've never said anything otherwise. And yes a src can comment on this.
Let's not become rusty.
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Not rusty nor dusty
Wait, what I miss, what makes Diesels comment warrant a insult of that level from Greg? Lol
It's no big deal. Bottom line is no one is a know it all and all are equal. You've been gone awhile and missed alot.
Yikes! I hear ya there man. That’s why I’m shitforbrains. I have no problem clowning on myself and understanding I don’t know shit when it comes to this. I just try my best to understand it. One thing is though I will never attack someone for expressing a point of view or attempting to share knowledge with other eroids members. I spent to much time in a place where bickering little babies get whacked. I just won’t engage. I just want to love. No hate. Hates for pussies lol
Lol I understand. Like I said man I'm no better than anyone else, in fact an equal. Diesel felt I didn't know all those things he stated so he commented to me and that's his right. I don't know everything of course, but I did know what he stated, it was obvious. But that's my stance on the tne debate. My opinion. No one gets everything right obviously.
That’s what’s up bro. You doin right by sharing another side of the spectrum. That’s all we can do.
No. Absolutely not considering TNE is in and out of you hours after administration. Non esterfied compounds never count towards your weekly dosage.
Also, a 250mg shot of test doesn't contain 250mg of actual test when you factor in the esters and once it cleaves. Look up ester weight for further information if you'd like to fully understand it, if you haven't/don't already.
This is what I’ve always done and how I approached it. Good shit Diesel.
No you don't count it. It is in and out within hours. You get a preworkout boost but also a post workout crash.
Thanks fellas, getting my fall stack ready and trying to pick out some gear. What’s the crash like? How junk will I be for work after a hard morning workout?
You will want to sleep. TNE is perfect for an evening workout....pin at 4pm...hit weights at 6:30...workout till 7:30....by 8:30 after showering and eating you will want to sleep and sleep well you will (granted you busted your ass sufficiently in the gym
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Since you are working on "changing the work situation" like you stated, why not just keep working out as hard as possible with the 3 days a week you are allotted. Instead of this thinking of " what other steroids can I take" drugs are not the magical solution and more isn't better. Perfect your diet, work as hard as you are able to those 3days, and results will come if so. Then when you have changed the work situation, work out even harder with the extra days...good luck
My first cycle I did Turinabol either 25mg twice a day or the full 50mg 1-2 hours before workout. The boost to strength & endurance is palpable, could literally feel it working in that first hour or so. I remember thinking "this is what a preworkout actually should be". More weight, more reps, more control, and without getting as tired.
The downside is that you're adding a 17aa oral into the equation so liver enzymes can become a concern or other potential sides may show up (for me there was elevated heartrate). While Tbol is supposed to be one of the more mild ones it also depends on how long you're running it (recommended no more than 6 weeks).
Like JFit said, dialing in the nutrition aspects is a much better long-term solution than adding a new drug into the equation. I did want to answer your specific question regarding the AAS option though.
I haven't looked into tbol but that sounds like a good fit. For now I'll focus on my diet and put that off til a better time. Thanks
Best preworkout is a good meal with carbs, sodium, and lots of water. Based on your stats, just a better meal plan will do great for your training.
Theres preworkout supplements but they aren’t usually worth the money. Its just a glorified caffeine energy drink
I'm working on nailing down a proper diet. Food scale will be here tm. Any resources to help that you recommend?
Look up Makwa. He has good nutrition forums
Thanks bro