posted Tue, 05/16/2023 - 07:29
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Mild Bulking Cycle
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I'm looking to start a mild bulking cycle, something like 16-20 weeks.
Test E 250/wk
Primo 200/wk
TBol 50g/day for 5 weeks
Plus ancillaries should I need em.
Thoughts? Not sure if I should add or replace anything, or doses. Looking for noticable gains but not so much that the sides are gonna be 90% of the cycle.
Also, any reliable EU suppliers? Mine now only has amps :/
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Dylan486648I still believe he should run that cycle. I believe if he ate right and trained right not only would be recomp but he would build a lot of quality tissue that would be more noticable in the mirror vs the scale. Real tissue growth doesn't blow you up in pounds in 3 months. I don't get what your trying to prove. That you got to abuse hormones for the body to be capable of building muscle over 20 week period? You know some people can take only 200mg of prescribed test from Dr and have test levels over 1500ng per dl yet others need 300 just to achieve normal levels? Dosage should always start low and assess tolerance when the goal is to avoid side effects. I'm not backstepping.
I dont know how to answer
RustyhookerBut its easier to stir shit with no facts. Lol
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Lifted-presence92Rusty gets it lol
Dylan486648I disagree. I believe it would help keep estrogen lower giving a leaner look and better recomp for his goals. There are better options for sure but they have more side effects
Man I think a lot of those guys under reported what they actually used. Always stating they were genetically gifted. Sure, with BB genetics has a lot to do with it. But we actually have no idea what they ran other than their word. Many of which talk about "I used 2 or 3 compounds at low doses and I got this big". I'm not buying it. Without food we don't grow for sure, that I agree with. I just don't see this cycle as a big mass builder. Not saying it isn't possible.
I'm pretty sure some did under report. Willing to bet that! But I think most have been honest though. The honest ones having nothing to gain by lying.
I know it's hard for alot of guys to believe, heck at first I didn't even believe. Some have even went to the extent of saying those ole school pharmaceutical drugs were way stronger. Not buying that one though
Okay maybe not the drugs better back then. BUT WHAT ABOUT the chicken and beef. Did you SEE THE SIZE of the chicken breast nowaday. Even looks fake And it seems the meat now adays causes every man whose not on steroids to become a beta male.
Nowadays they grow chicken in a laboratory! ..a laboratory! You'll be buying it soon in order to meet your protein requirements.
Beta male? Like I told that dude called @Rustyhooker, I had a guy call me a beta and when we finally met up I told him that he'd "beta" protect himself before going through that glass window. I don't condone violence and I did get in trouble. That guy probably thought Alpha every time he thought of me afterwards Haha. Poor guy
RustyhookerI remember my first beer. Beta teach the op how primo is properly used. Saves space for good stories. Like the time in bangkok....i swear it was a chick....
Remember that "beta" glass window story now! Beta protect ya self! 321 lift off Hooker! Ya flying through the air at mach 10 speed. You don't know what just happened
Dylan486648There was a study done in the 70s on bodybuilders that showed that some abused steroids mainly orals. If I can find it I'll copy and paste or share link. From my memory some reported 200mg dianabol others grams of deca and a few reported high dose combination of orals. I don't believe it was common but definitely happened. I've heard some even had liver failure in the 70s from dianabol and anadrol combo
Man those 70's dudes were the real deal man I'm telling ya. Most used 2 or 3 compounds but as far as guys using grams, there were a few known guys that did that
Dylan486648Same as today in my opinion. Some under report and some are honest but I still believe people relied far more in work ethic and diet back then. They didn't understand steroids they didn't have all the research and resources we have now. So they relied on work ethic and food mostly.
Hard work and food for sure. Even without copious amounts of steroids can make you grow. Look at the liver king, that mother fucker we all knew was juiced to the tits. Preaching against steroids but was on tons of gear. But you aren't getting god like physique eithout gear. So many don't understand how they work.
Dylan486648I definitely agree the look he had couldn't be done with low doses. But I don't think the guy posting this is trying to get that big. I always recommend starting low. And if results stall look at training and diet THEN increase dose slightly. I overdid my first cycle from taking the wrong advice then my next cycle I transformed on half the dose. People underestimate what you can achieve so often. I trained for 6 years naturally and most people accused me of being on steroids after 3 years. Yet none of them could keep up with me in training either.
You're talking to a should of been 70's guy right here. I wish like hell I was with those guys. Nothing compares. Even the powerlifters back then were well respected
Dylan486648And you look better than most here on probably 1/5th the dose as well
Thanks.+1. I missed this comment
So alot of guys just can't comprehend that yes back in the day most of those 70's guys used lower dosages no doubt. Knew a few folks lifting during that time in California, they are older of course. Now no doubt alot of those guys had great genetics but some had average genetics and still got decent results using this 70's dosing protocol. Now they used more than 200mg primo so I don't think that will do too much besides lowering your estrogen a little bit. Most used at least 400 primo but nothing in the gram range. As far as testosterone, some bodybuilders looked down on it, thinking it was inferior or something.
Some not all bodybuilders thought test was inferior because it made the body retain water and alot was probably due to ignorance
Dylan486648From the people I've spoke to primo was so rare that most couldn't run more than 1-2 ml a week. And they almost always ran dianabol In low doses
Primo is a bit overhyped. Like it's a great compound if ran correctly. But there are much better compounds with similar properties. Mast is often comparable to it, being a "poor man's primo". DHB is like primo on steroids. Just saying, it's that allure, that mystique that makes primo so sought after. Raws are high because of it. Primo is way easier to come by now that majority of sources carry it that you can grab a 200mg vial at the same cost of 100mg pharma grade.
To support what you just stated....recently an src gave 5 primo E200 to well over 20 members. Easier to get now at accurate dosing.
Dylan486648I agree. That's why I state that for recomp with a man his size isn't gonna even notice much of a difference with 200-400mg. The 200mg would be enough to raise free testosterone and that alone would make the cycle more effective. But dhb would be a much better choice
I hear ya but I think some would disagree with your recomp negligible comment. But hey that's your opinion
It's expensive so it must be good
Could not of said it better. Exactly. Overhyped
RustyhookerDude your so full of crap it stanks. Primo so rare. You drank the tea bro
Dylan486648I truly value your opinion. Anything else? Just taking notes
Dylan486648I know people personally who used 200mg from that time. I understand it's not expected to build a ton of mass but I've never expected a ton of mass from primo but he stated his goals and I believe it would be enough. The difference between 200-400mg of a mild drug like primo is negligible in my opinion.
Difference between 200 and 400 primo isn't negligible, who told you that? 400 is gonna give you more than 200 obviously regardless if it's milder drug. Most people DO NOT run primo at 200mg during a cycle. Now you may know folks that ran primo but so do alot of us lol. And if you talked to one of those 70's guys I'm surprised that they told you that they only ran 200.
Dylan486648I mean negligible in the context of recomp not mass building. I'm speaking in particular to the man who posted about his cycle. For his goals I believe the difference would be negligible. He's gaining most of the mass from the testosterone and tbol the primo is just gonna make the testosterone more effective than it was in his last cycle.
The testosterone is gonna give him the mass. Tbol's contribution in my opinion is freeing up testosterone. To me it's weak as hell by itself
Dylan486648I agree with that. Taking out the primo wouldn't make much of a difference in gains but it would help keep side effects of estrogen lower and he stated he wanted to keep them at minimum. Some swear by tbol some say like you and say it does nothing. I still think it's worth a shot. It's so mild what harm could really be done if he isn't happy with it he could always try something different next cycle. That's just my opinion
Well the East Germans used tbol as an aid in athletics.
Dylan486648Yes and I've seen the reports and the doses were high in some women. Yet they did recomp and build alot of muscle
A couple factors...women respond to lower doses of steroids better than men for obvious reasons and like you said those doses were high so yeah they did see results from that. They should have
Dylan486648I agree. And there were reported masculinization even at low dosages with women. To further my point that anabolic/androgenic ratios aren't accurate.
No not 100% accurate. Just an idea of activity
200mg of primo won't do jack shit.
Dylan486648Don't forget this is fingerprint medicine. As in every body responds completely different. Not one dose fits all. Always best to start low and build up safety and keep the receptors strong. Some get big with eq others get nothing. Some get big with 200mg of primo some get nothing. There's the genetic response in play. I've done over 13 years of research in the human body and thousands of studies over the years. Plus talked to top bodybuilding gurus. The biggest guys I know use under gram a week even after years. Believe me or don't. I really don't care
Dylan486648Speak for yourself. Low doses work for me
Low doses work for me too but 200 of primo or test won't do much. Test at 200mg will give slight water weight gain due to e2 conversion but pure muscle gain....no. Your genetics would have to be Mr. Olympia level
Dylan486648Maybe not after your years of exposure but do you really think if you were just starting out you couldn't successfully recomp and gain a few pounds with this cycle if your receptors are fresh?
Sure...just referring to this guy. If he's a newbie of course it will do a lil something, but in general 200mg primo for an experienced guy doesn't do very much.
Might get better ai benefits out of it at that dosage than muscle building.
Just run high test and a oral.