First time cycle. Looking for some advice and answers.
Hi, Looking to start my first AAS dose (28yo/7 years natty). I've opted to use 250mg Test E per week (In two doses, 125mg shot on Monday & Thursdays).
I plan on running the cycle for 8 weeks. Having read Anabolics by William Llewelyn, he says that after this amount of time muscle gains will diminish greatly and recovery is longer so i believe this is the correct way to go? Please let me know any pros/cons of this cycle length if it is a problem.
The next thing i want to establish is the right PCT protocol for this dose. In Anabolics he states the HCG should be used, concurrent with various doses of Nolvadex and Clomid, but in other reading i'm yet to see anyone recommend using all 3 as part of a PCT for beginners. Would i be okay just using clomid for 3 weeks? And would starting PCT 10 days after last injection be suitable for a 250mg/w dose?
Last thing i really need to know is using AI's. Now some people don't think Gyno will be a problem at low dose but i'm going to buy Nolvadex just incase. If Gyno should present itself, do i use the AI only until my last steroid dose on week 8, or all the way through until i finish PCT? Again in the book he recommends using it every day of the cycle but i'm led to believe this can cause unfavourable results.
I really appreciate any help. Thank you.
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RustyhookerNolva is NOT an ai. Suggest you spend couple hour reading first
I agree with a lot of the advice given but my take? Your low dose won't pose much of a risk. It's best to take low doses of arimidex , the usual being .5 twice a week, if you notice the beginning symptoms of gyno. By catching it early, you shouldn't have to worry about permanent gyno. Just be sure to get your bloodwork mid-cycle so you know you're keeping your estradiol (the surrogate marker for estrogen) dialed in but high enough that you haven't tanked it. More intense cycles will usually have people starting their arimidex from week 2 throughout their cycle. You may want to taper off the arimidex just before your pct to avoid estrogen rebound.
Lot of questions whew! You are going to do the right thing. Going to give you my opinion. Read about Arimidex and Aromasin. Buy both! Get a pack of pharma grade both. Then you're going to need to read ALL around the website and get some UGL. Having more PCT than you need and extra ancillaries is FAR FAR more important than you the AAS you buy. You need to read on PCT. Nolva is a SERM and will protect you from getting tits. Clomid is another part of PCT that I regret to say I'm ignorant about but is paramount to a proper PCT. PCT forums are here for you. Other bros here if you read this tell me if I'm wrong!! Aromasin is the way to go as it's a suicide. I'll explain. Gradually moving up in Test E is going to allow you to feel bodily all the effects that Test E and you will be going through. I.E. 250mgs the first two weeks. 350mgs weeks 3,4 and 5. Finally, 6,7 and 8 @ 400-450mgs at your size.
Now, this will not be countenanced by the experts here but if you are going to skip bloodwork at these dosages you can basically self identify most of the sides. The first being any irritation in the nipples/breast tissue surrounding followed by moodiness and then sexual amorousness. Wait for tenderness on the nips. If you start to experience it start with .25 mgs of the aromasin then repeat every other day until symptoms subside.
There's about a 100 other things to write about this but I'm getting tired and have to pee.
Good luck!
Pyramiding is kind of old school. Better ways of doing it now. You are constantly putting your hormones in a state flux increasing test like that which can make estro management a real chore with dosing AI. Constant fluctuations like this will also exacerbate acne and moodiness etc that result from continual fluctuations in hormones. Get your body up to steady state/peak saturation as quickly as possible by taking the highest dose you plan to, i.e 500mg, right from the get go. This way estro conversion will become a standard rate and you won't have to keep playing around your AI to control it.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I am reading as much as i can. I am just torn daily by conflicting reports though. Is this normal? Like stickied PCT threads are saying not to use clomid at all (in favour of nolvadex on a 1-2 40mg 3-4 20mg dose), then i see others that say clomid is absolutely essential for PCT.
Do you favour aromasin over arimidex then? Would you stickly recommend only using when symptoms of estrogen present, or from week 1 of the cycle?
Check the links below and also Nolvadex is NOT an AI. For AI, go with Aromasin (exemestane) or Arimedex (Anastrozole). Good luck
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-cycle-when-to...
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/recommended-doses-f...
So you think 250mg/week is too low? I have only come to this conclusion from experienced gear users saying their 500mg/week was far too high. The Arimidex .25mg E3D from weeks 4-8 seems easy enough to follow and will use that recommendation. Please let me know your thoughts on the dose. Thanks
Well honestly it's good that you aren't jumping into cycles with high dosages in mind. Now is 250mg too low? Maybe but that's not to say that you won't make any gains. After all this dosage would put you beyond natural testosterone levels on a blood test. You'd be over 1000ng/dL. With that said, diet, rest and your exercise program will contribute to gains.
If you’re going to only use for 8 weeks why not use prop? If you don’t prefer Eod pins then go with enth or Cyp. I never run over 300 mgs but I use it for a bit longer, 14 16 weeks and never have a problem with recovery. I run test low just because I respond well to it at that dose and anything higher brings me more side effects. I understand the whole recovery issue with longer cycles IMO if you’re going to run test at 8 weeks, use prop.
To low in my opinion, especially if only going 8wks, which I would never advise with a long ester in the first place. 250mg is going to shut you down just the same as 500mg so why not reap the benefits of a higher dose. Once you are completely shut down you are shut down so dosage is a moot point.
500mg is pretty much a cookie cutter cycle for a reason. That is likely what all your future cycles will need to be and a good dose for a base if you get advanced and start stacking compounds. You know what dose AI your body needs with that dose of test and how your body reacts and planning future cycles becomes much easier.
That much AI with only 250mg of test is more than likely going to crash your estro. That is the recommended dose for 500mg/wk, i.e. the cookie cutter cycle. I would choose overall. You over adex since I think suicide inhibitors are better overall.
You are going to complicate things by not following the cookie cutter. AI, PCT, etc. are mostly tailored to 500mg test.
Do you think the 'How to run a first cycle' sticky is the correct way to go about this then? Anything you would change about that method?
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
I will not start with D-Bol. I do not want to be dealing with more than 1 AAS during this cycle. My main reasoning for a 250mg dose was MPMD and Greg Doucette saying it was too high for a beginner. But it's conflicting info everywhere with this stuff.
Dbol 12hrs later? Half life is 3.5 to 5 hours.
That sticky is not correct.
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Weeks 4-12: 25 mg aromasin EOD (confirm dosage with bloodwork week 5 or 6)
PCT starts 18 days after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day and 100mg clomid
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day and 50 mg clomid
Apologies for late reply again. I have been getting some stuff in order and setting up a new bodybuilding focused routine for my cycle. So should i run my cycle exactly as you've written it there? What are your thought on using HCG during cycle, what weeks if so? I have found a good bloodwork location and once i have a set in stone cycle i will book in to have pre cycle bloods done. Thanks
I wouldn't bother with HCG. I personally would go 12 wks myself.
RustyhookerNo hcg on cycle. Click my avatar...see my blood posts
I can't find your HCG post? Can you link it?
will do. Besides that then, the routine as written by Makwa is the way to go? Thanks
Thanks for the corrections. Is there any way of altering the PCT to not include clomid? I've read about vision problems on that, i already have a visual condition so a little worried about using it.
They work synergistically together so the safest bet is to use them both. I wouldn't drop it just because you heard about vision problems. You try it and if it causes problems then you could half the dose and see if that works better or as last resort drop it, but your chances of a successful recovery also drop if not using it.
Clomid can cause slight visual problems for some unfortunately, also it can cause slight depression in some people
I don't think 250 is too low. In essence, your diet and training will 100% dictate your results. See how you respond to 250 and you can always adjust next cycle if necessary. I'd recommend getting bloodwork done as well to ensure health. Longevity is the key and this is a marathon, not a sprint
Thanks! I will give those a read
Rustyhooker4yrs you been here and you still dont know....?
If you were a tropical palm tree would YOU know?
I require adequate hormone levels so i can continue producing delicious coconuts
RustyhookerBad pct and coconuts will shrivel. Lol
You just Bob Ross’d a hell of a painting in my mind Rusty, two withered, hairy, depleted, sad looking coconuts side by side. Thanks buddy.
The account is old. I have only just started revisiting the site.