Fighting competition diet, 20kg in 2 months
Hi.
Recently I got an offer to be in a fighting competition. Its a very good offer I just couldnt refuse, but...
My weight is about 108kg, 181cm and my goal weight category is up to 90kg. For me it makes more sense to lose this weight than to compete with people way more heavier than me.
The problem is, I have only 2 months to lose this weight. Currently Im on test 600mg/w, tren 250/w and started clen few days ago. (2,5 weeks into cycle now). I have all the different vitamins, minerals, taurine for clen etc... I was OFF the cycle for like 8-9months before this one.
My question is: Is it possible to lose this amount of weight in this short time? Is it a good idea to rapidly cut off calories (low calories with high protein intake)? Any experience with how to get the most of water retention before the weight-in?
Right now I did cut off 2 meals a day (from total 5) so Im for sure less than 2000calories/day. Im doing 1hour cardio every single day.
Muscles are NOT priority now. Of course I dont want to rapidly lose muscle, but it is not priority. Priority is weight.
Thank you for advices. After this competition I will be on 4 others, but they are months split appart, so there will be no problem of losing weight. Only this one gala-evening is near.
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crazy_catBrother, What type of Fight, is it an MMA fight or Wrestling/BJJ tournament?
It seems like you are using mostly bodybuilding compounds, which would make you carry unnecessary muscle mass, you need to focus on your body-weight to strength ratio , stick to compound lifts and bodyweight workouts, lots of sprints and interval cardio workouts. Test + anavar is sufficient for those who want to fight or get into an octogon.
Remember fighting is not lifting, focus on sparring 3x a week, drilling and breaking down your technique. Skills pays the bills
Your calories intake is pretty low for your weight and your practice, I wouldn't drastically decrease calories it would hinder your performance
I wish you the best for your fight brother, anyone that steps in a ring or octogon is a warrior
So guys, currently Im cutting about 0,3 - 0,5kg a day. Yesterday I had refeed, did about 150carbs, more food, so my body is not starving and it will make my metabolism working better.
Im still feeling very good througt the day, I only feel like shit in the gym, but the strenght is still good! Yesterday I did 50kg dumbbells for chest, which is good for me. Im not feeling hungry at all
Wish me luck, not even 2 months to lose a lot of kilos, but I belive I can do it!
Expect some photos in a bit of time.
Listen to Makwa below and follow his nutrition plans. Also along with the same line as those below, drop the tren. For competition you will need your endurance and tren is known to lower that capacity greatly.
20kg in a couple months is a very big drop fast. So you will likely lose muscle but hopefully mostly fat. good luck!
Yes! Thats why I made this topic. To learn from much more experienced athletes
Im going to change few things in my meals. Thank you
Reducing the amount of anabolics at the end will also help drop a ton of weight. AAS cause a lot of glycogen retention. Dumping that glycogen load could be as much or more than 10+ lbs.
You are cutting calories way to much and way to fast. You are going to lose a ton of muscle regardless of what AAS you are using and with cals that low that quick your body is going to go into starvation mode making it very dificult to lose anymore weight. It will drop quickly at first and then come to a total standstill. 2 months is pushing it but it may be doable if done right, especially if you are starting at a high BF to begin with. Starving yourself believe it or not is not the fastest way to lose the weight.
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that makes sense. I was asking about carb waves, as you sent in the forum post to cycle carbs. I also think its a good idea.
And yes I wasnt really thinking about being low carbs (between 0-50) for two months... I know its needed to do some refeed, have few days of high carbs.
Thank you for your help, sir.
SavTacTest is good might even consider dropping it down. Drop the tren. As people have stated that can or could cause issues cardio wise. GW is a God send when needing that second wind. IMO I'd drop to 1800 calories but to each their own. What's your carb intake vs protein right now? If you get in a bind could always do the tried and true...sauna with trash bags and big red gum! Brutal but fuck it'll work.
Well, now as I said I have about 50-70carbs a day max. I have a lot of protein, I would say about 200+. Fat I have mostly from eggs, at least 5 eggs a day.
Im sure im much lower than 1800 calories, but the time is short and I need to get rid of the weight even I could lose some muscle. But with what Im using I think I can maintain muscle well. My energy is like shit in the gym, but overall I feel GOOD. I dont feel hungry, I dont have a bad mood. Im 100% dedicated to reach this goal. Now Im just listening to my body and I feel its going well.
Yes, as you say the water manipulation will do a lot with weight. But I leave it till the last month of preparation. Now I drink a lot of water, I sweat a lot (but much less then before when I had a lot of carbs). I have a coach for the water manipulation, because its something I have never done and I need it to be done correctly.
So i started big caloric defici diet, about 50 carbs a day, a lot of protein and some fats.
Im down almost 3kg in like 4days. A lot of it is water too I suppose, because I have very low carbs and I sweat as fck every day. I will post results soon. Once I have around 98-100kg, I will add more food to go down slower, after Im like 95kg I will add more and the rest 4-5kg I will do with my coach and water manipulation.
Damn. Don’t they have you running like crazy? That should shave a ton of weight off.
What do you think about Carbohydrate waves? Is it a good option for fast weight cut? Or for "enhanced" people is better just big caloric deficit (low carbs, high protein 2-3g per 1kg, about 1g per 1kg) for 2-3months?
I know a lot of people have good results with carbo waves, but Im not sure how good is it for enhanced people.
Drop the tren, terrible choice since you want endurance for combat, test is great .I'd go with prop 100mg EOD, with proviron added to increase free test and get that "youthful" feeling....I'd drop the clen too personally, and would opt for Albuterol. Albuterol isn't as harsh as clen for me and it's serves a better purpose by being in an out, half life being 4-6 hours, while clenbuterol is around 34 hours if I remember correctly, which gives the body no rest from the stimulation. Clen also blocks current sodium in muscle fibers which can interfere with strength, while Albuterol doesnt. More importantly, clen also poses greater risk to the heart by causing cardiac lesions, while Albuterol doesnt. Halo starting 3 weeks out, continue till fight day...and on day of fight add TNE or Test Susp along with your Halo to bring some much needed aggression/strenght while in the octagon/ring. Don't know you tolerate Halo personally, but be mindful of your attitude and control temper...good quality Halo will make you a dangerous/nasty fella to be around, but that's what you are after especially prior to fight...do the Halo...dont let it do you. Wish you luck bro!
For future fights...consider EQ or even Winstrol if you react well to it and it doesnt dry you out much,(not a fan of Winny cause it wreaks havoc on good cholesterol and makes joints ache, plus injury risk goes up) but I'd go with EQ for added endurance and help with going the distance.
Halotestin is ridiculously expensive but it is gold for fighters. I won't go near the stuff, I'm already a big enough dick head, kinda why I swore off tren half a dozen times
It is pricey, but not too bad considering not much is needed and is only ran for 2/3 weeks. A pack of quality halo containing 50 tabs ranging from $120min-$150max is well worth the money for the effects it provides IMO. I love it, but however I do agree it's not for everyone and have seen it turn the nicest of fellas to straight raging pricks attitude wise. You at least acknowledge it and know better, which is half the battle.
Lifted-presence92Dude nailed it with a hammer! I definitely wouldn’t use winny it makes everything on me joint, ligaments and tendons feel like glass by week 3 lol. I’ve heard a lot of fighters using halo.
Thanks bro, Halo is a hell of a compound for instant aggression. I agree on the Winny....it has its purpose for bodybuilders stepping on stage for that extra dryness/hardness/ thin dick skin appearance, but I just prefer to not use it, outdated like dinosaurs IMO. Much better compounds out there, but some people react very well to winny and more power to them.
Lifted-presence92I’ve actually heard that regarding the power it’s like output correct? like helping basketball player “jump” higher not like adding 5 inches to your vertical or anything like that after a cycle. It like more pop and stuff.
Diesel I’ve been commenting on the same stuff you are at times and I see you really know your shit not gonna lie bro.
Definitely adding you to my short list of guy I trust to get really good information from.
Yea in example, Olympic sprinter gold medalist Ben Johnson was popped for winny and had his gold medal stripped in the late 80s Seoul Olympics if I remember correctly. You will find tons of track runners/sprinters loving the shit out of winstrol...it's really an athletic based steroid in a sense where it will turn an already athletic athlete to being much much more athletic, but it is all based on how your body in particular reacts to the compound.
Like all AAS, some can tolerate it better than others and arent so negatively affected by it, when others might be and just wrecks their joints/tendons and results in injuries. Being "dry" for too long plays a major factor in that negative aspect as well, hence why most bodybuilders use it precontest striclty and done. It's very uncommon for off season use generally for bodybuilders although I know powerlifters who use it in their stack, but they aren't worried about being dry, rather strength gains from winny are what they are after.
Lifted-presence92Gotcha great clarification Brotha! Yeah sucks winny does that to me man I’d walk done stairs in the morning going to work and my knees would be popping lol. It dries me out like crazy!
I never tried Halo. I was always only with the basic compounds like test, tren, bolde, stan or dbol. Now Im researching Halo and it seems like a good choice short-term (as you say 3weeks only)
I know it was maybe not he wisest option to go for it in 2 months, its very early. But the offer was just very good. If Im good the first gala-evening, I will have the opportunity to go to 4 fight total, so there will be much more time for preparation. For how long would you suggest the winny? 4 weeks before or just basic cycling throught the preparation like 4 weeks ON, 4 weeks off? Do you think its good to combine winstrol and stanozol? I read that it has some kind of synergy together (oral and oil)
My experience with stan (oral) is good. I dont really like orals like dbol, oxy, but I felt good on stan. No problems with joints (I really focus on warming up my joints every training)
Thank you for your time Diesel. I will read all the messages again and I will look for the best advices.
No problem Baerney. While I don't much like Winstrol in general, if considered, prefer the injectable oil version over the oral tabs. The water based version is good too, but typically carries PIP that might hinder training to a degree. I find the oil version much better in that aspect, while limiting use to 4-6weeks max then off.Not sure how experienced you are with injecting, but winny injects requires daily pinning. I would skip on the winny, but thats just me personally. I'd keep it simple with test prop and proviron, then halo as the oral with
test/tren water base inject 45min-1 hour before the fight.Then plan accordingly for next upcoming fight. Also...Stanozolol is the exact same compound as Winstrol, Winstrol is just the branded name of chemical Stanozolol (Winny, Winny-V) In my opinion, Halo, being a pure androgen, will be beneficial especially prior to fighting along with an injectable fast acting testosterone like TNE/Test Suspension.
Also ..that P lab you have in your pics (the one you're in a current promo for)which I am a fan of.....carries water based tren base and water based test base....those 2 in combo....would also be GREAT for before the fight added aggression/strength, if you choose to bypass the oral halo. I know of powerlifters who use all three compounds prior to attempting a PR attempt, but they are experienced and well versed with the strong androgens like halo, tren/test base. Anything that is highly androgenic will benefit you before the fight by providing extreme aggression. The anabolic compounds on the other hand, are best utilized for adding muscle/mass.
Lifted-presence92Man you have experienced a preworkout compound until you’ve touched tren no base love the stuff I’m about to message you diesel.
Facts. You know it ! Tren base is a hell of a preworkout especially when combined with Test base....beastmode without a doubt. I don't know about you, but me personally much prefer it along test base...by itself not so much as I feel it's too much of a pure androgen and ends up having me feel shitty, anxious AF and not at all pleasant. Mixed with some Test base though.....game changer...
If you're fighting, tren is probably the worst thing to be taking. Even 250mg will destroy my cardio endurance.
I'd drop the tren completely and test down to about 300, maybe even 250. Maybe add in a little anavar, gw and sr9011. Before the weigh in you can do some dehydration and drop the water weight then gain it all back immediately after. Good luck
My cardio endurance is good. Im doing cardio every day and I feel like my endurance is getting better and better very fast.
Why do you think tren is bad for this? I thought tren is a good idea, almost no water retention, good for building muscle, agresivity. My body responds very well to tren, but Im sticking just to this "low" dosage of 250mg/w at maximum. Im just looking at the gw and sr. I have never used it, it seems like a good idea to this hard cut cycle.
Thank you Uncle
It’s not what he thinks- it’s what it does. Later in the cycle it will murder your endurance. Hey @UncleYoked speaking of endurance imagine if he was running Eq with low test. It would increase your stamina to apply towards endurance training due to increased RBC but it would be something to monitor because you wouldn’t want it too high. It also takes very long to kick in
EQ is good for endurance at the lower doses as well since it pumps those RBC up but for heavy training with cardio and I assume MMA, you have to be careful for compartment syndrome in those shins.
How long have you been running Tren? It is amazing for what it does and on paper it's unbeatable, you can cut and gain strength at the same time, it turns your body in to a machine but it'll destroy your cardio. The GW can help balance it out a bit more but MMA is as much about endurance as it is strength, maybe more so.
Be careful with any AAS you use while fighting as there are side effects many people don't talk about much. Like with anavar, extreme cramping can happen which would be absolute shit if you're on the ground rolling around. EQ with excessive pumps. At this point in the game my opinion is to drop the tren, lower the test maybe even to 200, add gw, maybe SR9011 (don't bother with 9009), you can add low doses of EQ around 200mg and anavar around 20-25mg.
The EQ is to improve the endurance, help protect the ligament strength.
The anavar will increase some strength, very mildly but it will also help you retain muscle mass and strength while in a caloric deficit.
Test, 200mg may sound low but it'll put you above the physiological levels and this is a great place to be for an athlete.
I will try it with the SR9011 and gw. The EQ is already on the way, so I will add it. Im running tren only 3 weeks this cycle, I just started.
What do you think is the best diet to get the most out all of the compounds mentioned? You seem like a very experienced athlete, sorry if Im asking many questions. Im sure this topic may help others too. I will try to post my results to show how is it going (some progress photos, a photo from the weight-in...), Im very interested to see the results of all this.
According to him, he just started his cycle but I don’t know if the effects of EQ will kick in time for his match. Unless of course he uses bold Cyp.
it is pretty close, I'd just not use it at all myself. I think the rest would be fairly effective
Thank you. Endurance, weight cut is something Im learning a lot now.
This will help me to consider the best diet and learn from more experience athletes
Bro, this presents serious Risk on your organs especially kidneys. Is it possible, yes but you will be drained.
No but I don’t think you have a choice
Yes. Its ok if I will be few kilos heavier, thats not a big deal.
Well, we will see. I think I can do a lot with water manipulation. I will be working with a trainer for this, but I just want to hear as much opinions as possible.
I will do it as safe as possible. Im researching about it every day. Thanks for your comment bro.
I’ve had to cut for wrestling and BJJ but the most was about 25lbs in about an 5 week span and I’ve actually cut 10lbs in a week. About 3 weeks out I was eating maybe 1 meal a day and only having protein with water for other meals at only 20 grams at a serving. Protein holds weight as well and you’re also running 600 mg of test. Anyway you’d consider switching to prop and doing a 1/1 ratio with Tren ? You have your supplements in order so just be mindful of your kidneys. I’m curious to see the outcome and good luck
25lbs in 5 weeks is very decent! I was just talking with my the main promoter from this event, they will provide me a specialist directly for the water manipulation so I dont need to worry about messing up with this part.
Are there any benefits of going 1/1 test tren? I always stick to this 1/2 test tren (so not going above 250mg/w tren if Im going 500mg/w test)
I started cutting one meal first week, second another week and now Im going even less, so my body will get somehow used to this crazy calorie deficit. I will try to post my results here within next two months. Im dedicated, Im sure I will make it if there will be no big issue.