+ 41 HOW TO RUN A FIRST CYCLE
I've been getting a lot of questions about how to run a first cycle and instead of responding to everyone, I'm going to just post something here. First off, you should do research. Google search anything you can think of when it comes to AAS - first steroid cycle, beginner steroid cycle, test and dbol cycle, proper pct for first cycle, etc. This is by no means a be all end all guide to running your cycle, but I'm going to post some things just to get people started in the right direction.
FIRST CYCLE
Your first cycle should be a relatively simple and straightforward one, meaning one, maybe two anabolic compounds, the necessary ancillaries, and a proper PCT. Do not over complicate this one as test will be the base for all your future cycles. Its good to find out how you react to it alone before you add on extra components. I do think running an oral kickstart for a first cycle is acceptable, as using a longer estered test (enanthate or cypionate) will take around 4 weeks before the test is "noticeable" in your system, so you can judge the effects of the oral independent of the testosterone.
**Can you run an oral only cycle? ** Yes you can, but its really really not worth, in most cases. Most people won't retain any of the gains they make off a 4-6 week dbol cycle - you'll blow up quick, but you won't have the extra time on cycle to get your body used to holding the extra mass while being in an elevated anabolic state. Also, all anabolic/androgenic compounds shut down your natural test production. Testosterone is a key component in your everyday functioning in life, and when you supplement your system with anabolics other than testosterone (that shut down your test production), you will feel the effects of the reduced testosterone.
Can I just run Deca or EQ or Tren by itself with no test for my first cycle - it will still be only one compound? No.... again, read above. Using these other anabolics still result in shutting down your natural production of testosterone and you will experience side effects of no testosterone - lethargy, depression, lack of libido, erectile dysfunction, etc.... not worth it. Yes, some people have run cycles with no test and have been fine, but that is generally the exception, not the rule. Much better to play it safe then "hope" you are the exception to the rule.
What's this about gyno? Testosterone (along with a number of other anabolics - deca, dbol) is an aromatizing compound meaning with elevated levels of it, you will have corresponding elevated levels of estrogen in your system. It is generally wise to combat these during cycle to avoid excessive bloating and the posisbility of developing breast tissue (gyno). Two ways of doing this: an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) or a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). In general, I think using an AI during cycle is better as it prevents the testosterone from aromatizing in the first place, whereas a SERM prevents the estrogen from binding to estrogen receptors. A popular and easily available AI for on cycle use is Anastrozole (brand name Arimidex); SERMs are generally used if gyno is already an issue on cycle, or for PCT.
PCT - what's that? Post Cycle Therapy - this is a necessity and not something that is optional or can be purchased over the counter in your local GNC. So all cycle long you've been injecting testosterone and you have lots of it in your system, much more than your body naturally produces. So what does your body do ? - it stops producing its own testosterone. As the long estered testosterone wears off at the end of the cycle (roughly two weeks from your last injection), you body realizes that it no longer has testosterone in it and decides to try to make some of its own. At the same time, your estrogen to testosterone ratio is high, meaning you have a lot of estrogen, but very little testosterone, and whats worse, as your body tries to start making testosterone, it converts some of that to estrogen so you have even more estrogen (very simplified explanation of whats happening). Long story short, you need a SERM, peferably Tamoxifen (Nolvadex brand name) to combat these estrogen levels and help your body get itself creating enough testosterone again to sustain your new muscle mass. Yes you can use an over the counter testosterone booster, but you MUST always use a SERM. Always.
Lastly, HCG? HCG is not always a must on your first, or lower dosed cycles, but it is highly, highly recommended. So remember how the testosterone you are injecting is telling your body to stop producing its own testosterone? Well HCG tells you body through a LH signal (I'm not going to go into specifics) to your testes to keep trying to produce testosterone. This will not only limit the amount of shrinkage you will occur on cycle in your boys down below, but it will drastically aid in how quickly you recover post cycle. Now remember, HCG is suppressive as well, meaning it must be discontinued before PCT as well. So this is only used during cycle up until several days before PCT, but will definitely help keep you ready to start producing testosterone again post cycle.
So... how does this all translate into an actual first cycle:
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
And that's it. Simple, straightforward and a great first cycle. Remember, time on + PCT = time off before cycle. So this whole cycle would take you 16 weeks, so you need to wait 16 weeks before your next cycle so your body is fully normalized in its natural hormonal state before doing another cycle.
**Note: * you could run the testosterone for two more weeks, Weeks 1-12, just move all the other times for the other compounds up by 2 weeks, so PCT starts week 14, HCG/Arimidex ends before you start PCT. Dbol dosage would still stay the same for 4 weeks.
Continued at: https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/how-to-run-a-cycle
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fleming10Can i do test e 250mg once a week??
EstosteroneRegarding tamoxifen, I'm curious why r/steroids recommends "5mg to 10mg" versus 40mg here.
RustyhookerBecause they didnt follow any advice the pct folks used written by PhD's. Like on my pct forum
EstosteroneLink?
I hear a lot of different views on Clomid. What do you guys think of it? Waste of time?
RustyhookerClick my avarar....my pct forum
EstosteroneNever taken it before, but enclomiphene has a better side-effect profile with no downsides compared to Clomid.
My first steroid cycle was the classic 500 mg of Test Enanthate for 12 weeks.
Great read brother. Its always good to have someone in your corner. So many new guys don't do their due diligence and research before jumping on the AAS Ship.
I would also like to see blood work as part of the cycle. I think it should be mandatory, especially for a first cycle. How will you know if you need an AI, or how other health markers ard doing?
And popping AI's from week 1? I'd be cautious of that too. Low estrogen sides suck and at times can take longer to combat vs high estrogen.
is hcg required for first cycle with 250mg of test e only. what about clomid during pct with the nolvadex.
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Dont cycle...
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Is Hcg necessary for a first cycle with 400mg/week for 12 weeks of testE while on cycle or post?
No, not necessary.
I have been reading a ton of the threads on HCG on cycle... and I am concluding that there is ZERO downside to a small does of HCG (like 500 2x per week)... It seems the only reason not to take it is cost$$? Woud you agree with that Makwa?
Good post. I always recommend this book to anyone before using steroids. This has great info and where I learned my info before internet became what it is
Anabolics
Book by William Llewellyn
I have read anabolics 11th edition cover to cover. Great book. Only issue I had with it was his on cycle/ post cycle section. That left me wanting more details.
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD) Isn't that a bit much? 5mg Anastrazole EOD?
.5 as in POINT 5 mg. basically half a tablet in most cases. and thats just a natural guideline. I use aromasin 25 mg and I use it ED while on a blast cycle.
This is why in healthcare, we write decimals with the zero, 0.5mg to avoid confusion and incorrect dosing.
Aurel7659This topic should be read by every newbies.
Thank you for providing such good and true information.
Look, if your wanting to become Arnold or a huge body builder, you are going to hurt yourself, the amount of roids and tren you would have to be on will shorten your life, if you want to look decent and muscular but not an Arnold, you can do what I did for ten years, 1 ml test per week along with 1 dbol pill a week 50mg. You might think it’s low, but it’s not, your body will respond in a very positive way, psychological dose is 500mg a week, 300 is excellent, no side affects, no anger, just horny a bit. Eat good and sleep good and that’s it. Not that complicated
You did 50mg dbol for 10 years? I'd check your liver out my man
10yr cycle, If you don't think you haven't hurt yourself, then think again.
Rustyhookeryour pix just posted the worst advice ever. Do not do that! Your advice here is trashy. Kick rocks
BodybuilderZeppGreat read and I agree with all except for one thing. This is my personal opinion but you said you could run “maybe two anabolic compounds” for a first cycle, I disagree. Test only first cycle. Wouldn't even add Mast or Var in there, you need to feel what Test alone does to your body. And if you have a bad reaction, you want to know what its from, and if your only taking Test you wont have to narrow it down.
Great info. I was lucky, in that my contact at the time took the time to educate me rather than just sell me what I asked for. Most aren't so lucky and get sold all sorts and get thselves all sorts of messed up.
Absolutely great information.. Knowledge is the key before jumping in. These forums have been a great help. But i have also read that taking the adex early on is not a good idea unless you experience high estro symptoms
MPepThe post is a huge help, thanks. I'm still researching for a 1st cycle and it answered a lot of questions. I'm hoping for some feedback on my current and future plan. Also hoping I don't sound like an asshat but fuck it. Hoping for some constructive feedback. I'm 50 years old, 200 lbs approximately 18% BF. Weights switch from total body to focused usually 5x per week. Very little to no cardio. No current side effects other than my balls are small and loads are like an old man drooling. Blood work is good, I feel great, feel like my muscle gains have plateaued and want some gains.
Current:
Test Cyp 140mg (total) per week pin 3x M-W-F
HCG 500 iu's 3x per week pin M-W-F - I know its a lot but my balls are shrinking and my loads suck. Trying to jump start both
Diet - Intermittent fasting high protein 2500-3000 cals per day
Future Plan 1st cycle
Test Cyp 500mg - 12 weeks then return to current protocol
HCG Same as current
Anastrozole .25mg per day- 12 weeks then stop
Follow the Nolva week 1-4 plan as listed above
Diet: end the fasting eat everything I can (clean)
Also:
Any thoughts on adding the Dbol? Is the Test cyp spike enough ?
I have Proviron in house and was going to do 50mg per day split to fix balls / load / libido
I have Clomid in house and was thinking of using in conjunction with the HCG at a lower dose.
Will the Clomid and Proviron (if I use them) change my need or dose for Anastrozole or Nolva?
Thanks
The timing of when you start taking ancillaries depends on a multitude of factors including the ester you are using, sides you are experiencing and your personal sensitivity to estrogen sides assuming you know.
For instance, test prop will be in and out in ~48 hours, giving it the potential to aromatize to estradiol sooner, but not much time to do so. Test E will be in your system for ~10-14 days giving it much more time and potential to aromatize, but it will take much longer to do so due to the sore release. So if you start using an AI in your first week of a test E cycle your more than likely going to crash your natural estrogen levels.
So im about to start my first cycle with test e 500mg a week I have done a lot of research of course but the only thing I get different answers from upon the research I do is when to start taking the adex. So you are saying that the assumption i have to wait until i see or feel high estro levels to take the AI is correct?
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-cycle-when-to...
Thank you
Honestly the best answer is to have blood work done around week 5 and use as/if needed. However, that isn't an option for everyone in which case you are just going to have to listen your body and respond to any side effects that appear. If you do choose that route start with a very low dose, like 0.25 mg EOD and only increase the dose if the sides are still present. Repeat until they have subsided and stay on that dose for a 10-14 days after your last injection. At that dosage you shouldn't have much to worry about and if you think that you are having estrogen sides before week 4 there is a 99% chance that it's first cycle jitters getting in your head. I say that because the ester releases so slowly that it will take about 4 weeks for your blood levels of test to reach thier peak. That is why a lot of people run test prop for 8-10 weeks and test E for 12-14 weeks. Each cycle results in roughly the same amount of time at peak blood levels.
Got it. Thank you for the input i really appreciate it
Yanks00JCGreat informative post..let’s just hope people actually take your advice
WATERWOLF141Super erklärt!
Can I just run Deca or EQ or Tren by itself with no test for my first cycle - it will still be only one compound? Isn't Tren+Test on lower dosage a great beginner cycle?
Tren is pretty gnarly for a beginner even with test , but no it’s not a great eydea to run any of those with out test ! If you only want to run one compound run Test test is King
You are quite simply scaring me coming out with things like this - Pal if you are still at this kind of knowledge level you need to spend many more hours online researching compounds and how to run them. Even a Pro would not run Tren by itself let alone someone starting out on a first cycle.
Yanks00JCLmfao
Adding tren into a cycle for a beginner is never a good idea. This is a highly advanced compound that can require prolactin control and can have severe psychological effects as well. To much going on for a first cycle.
Aurel7659Hi, thank you for this easy-to-understand and put-into-practice article.
I'm going to share it whenever a newbie needs help about is first cycle.
Plus, I like the fact that you only include testosterone as anabolic compound, I see so many times beginners want to use a wide range of stuff instead of keeping things as much simple as possible.
GOOD READ BROTHA
Dustined83Another good read for newbies. I don't know why everyone wants to jump in and start tren. My first cycle was Tokyo test cyp... yes old school dirty Mexican gear. It crippled me but I gained 30 lbs on 10mls in 10 weeks. Nothing like a first cycle