+ 1 Extended Fasting >Refeed>Lean Bulk
Why is this not a thing?
I’ve been doing some digging around, and most mainstream sites don’t have any info on this. It’s seems as though it would be the ultimate weight loss method. (Mostly for highly obese but also could be applied to normal weight ranges)
Extended fast with snake juice.
Sodium
Magnesium
Potassium
Mixed in with water.
Personally tested and broke my fast @ 135+ hours.
This method also seems to boast a few claims with it.
From what I can gather you get:
Muscle preservation through elevated natural HGH production. (I’ve read it’s as little as ~5lbs skeletal muscle)
Constant ketosis
Autophage (claims to reduce loose skin/recycle unwanted cells)
Mental clarity after initial stages (5+ days)
Less water retention
Upon achieving ideal body weight. Transition into slow refeed. And gradually increase macros into a slow lean bulk.
Any thoughts or info would be cool. Hopefully less bro science and I already expect to be flamed but it is what it is.
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basskiller89Hey brother,
I would agree that intermittent fasting is a superior way to lose weight based the fact that igf1 levels can sometimes triple in fasted patients, which will indeed result in more fatloss on the same calories compared to someone with frequent meals. Ketosis makes no difference whatsoever in terms of how much fat is lost or not. The body wills deplete glycogen stores and then begin to work on fat stores. For example, if someone is in a -800 calorie deficit per day and is in ketosis versus depleted glycogen and no in ketosis, the fat loss will be the same. Ketosis simply puts the brain function on ketones delved by burning fat compared to glucose. I do like a transition into a refeed, however, this will surely fill the brain and liver with glucose assuming there is carbs. If you do this say once a week the body will maintain a ketogenic state and run off of carbohydrates for a day and then resume to ketones developed. Water retention is not a bad thing. Every grams of muscle glycogen will retain 3 grams of water molecules intramuscular. This will add a weight, not size to muscle. Sodium loading is where you can do some cool stuff with adding some water size to muscle. Is this something you are going to try? You could post up calories, meal timings and workouts, we'd be curious to see what you're looking at. Hope this helps, here if you need brother
Well its not mainstream for a reason. It has more negatives than positives. Extended fasts are fasts that last more than 48hrs and its purpose is for spiritual and healing effects, not weight loss. Weight loss (crash diet) wld be reckless and has been proven inefficient. The supposed positive side of long fast was generally used back in the day when medicine wasnt readily available (autophagy, hypertension, etc). Or u wld fast to become spiritually closer to the other side (pretty much dying from ur body eating itself from the inside out). Short fasts have been proven beneficial, even religious groups that practice fasts have even favored this route. Snake juice, Plasma pudding, or whatever it is to take to helps ur body not eat itself as quick by providing nutrients during fast (dry or wet fast). I personally like the monk's who fast on nothing but beer for a month. Guess that's not really a fast thou??? Lol
Achilles412Shorter fasts can work. Something along the lines of 16-8 fast not a huge fan of extended fasts a lot of impact of hormones insulin levels etc that can get pretty crazy once you introduce food into the picture. Extended fasts I don’t care much for. But to each their own
I'll let the crossfitters have their thing. Sounds perfect for them.
No place for it in a bodybuilders lifestyle.
The Snake Diet? It’s a total con. Contrary to popular belief, one can “refeed” without ingesting a single, solitary carbohydrate as long as there’s enough protein. (Just kind of a fun fact, really.) Snake juice… oh lawd. Good, old-fashioned “50/50s” are better for quick rehydration. Half Pedialyte, half filtered water, of course.
Obviously… these methods are for competitive athletes to utilize, not average couch potatoes trying to lose weight quickly. No one who isn't a driven competitive athlete will actually see this through. They’ll lose the weight then put it right back on until they realize fad diets aren’t sustainable and start actually getting serious. If ever.
Nah man, the snake juice isn’t for rehydration. It’s what allows you to get the basic minerals and sustain yourself for extended periods of time without seeing drastic health issues.
In fact after the 2-3rd day, hunger goes out the window. I only caved out of boredom lmao
Are you specifically referring to the Snake Diet?
I’m referring to going into ketosis, with out refeeding until hitting ideal weight and surviving on potassium sodium magnesium. I don’t give a fuck what label you want to throw on it. If you’re in kerosis and burning fat constantly, how is that a con? And I’ve actually seen cases of 30+ days where weight doesn’t come back. 77days 100lbs to name one in particular.
Refeeds aren’t necessary in ketosis to begin with. Why so hostile? I can’t ethically support extreme diets that involve fasts that last that long. I won’t apologize for that. It’s too easy for some idiot to screw up and end up in the hospital.
Hostile? I’m not screaming or talking in caps, I dropped the fuck word my bad? Yeah you right. But then again there are idiots using roids that fuck up too am I right?
And having done ketosis the correct way in the past there’s always a bloat after you introduce carbs back into the swing of things if it’s not done properly.
It’s all good. I’m for responsible dieting as well as responsible PED use. Yes, sadly, there are many people giving responsible dieters as well as responsible users a bad name. However, it’s fair to say that the amount of people utilizing potentially dangerous diets without medical guidance outweigh those using anabolics in a similar fashion. I do appreciate your post, and your feedback
Well said..
You fasted for 135 hours???
Don’t think Bodybuilding forum is the best place to discuss this, most of us fast for 2-3 hours max ))
jayiskYes fasting is for when you sleep. that is why the 1st meal in the morning is called Break--Fast..., breakfast
Yeah, after the 2nd day you’re pretty much crusing. Reddit has documented cases of 30+ days with dope results for what it is. And actually weight regain is only water your body flushing up with water. But if you stay hydrated I could see skipping that bloat all together.
There is no magic diet.
It’s not meant to be a magic diet. I’m not saying it is either. I’m saying it’s efficient.
Post a before and after picture.
Protein needs to be kept high on a calorie deficit.
You still loose muscle but much lesd.
If what you say was true all the pros would fast and as far as I know they dont.
The tried and true way is the best imo...
This exactly. I do think I might try this.
With before and after pictures.
I'd agree, muscle is probably going to be lost.
However. I would be under the impression that once ideal body weight is achieved.
Then transitioning into a lean bulk, and incorporating a cycle would more then make up for any lost lean muscle mass. If I can manage it, I'll post before and after. Then transition into a lean bulk.
I actually work 3rd shift and about to grab some sleep. So nows a perfect time to launch the endeavor. We'll mark it now. See you guys on the other side.
Not for me bro!