+ 13 Low IGF1 while using 15-20 IU every day for 3 months straight (288 ng/ml)
Hello everyone,
I had concerns that something is not right about the batch of godtropin I got. I trusted the good reviews and reputation and ordered 10 kits with my first order.
I got severe red welts during during the use which hurt a lot, but none of the typical effects of hgh, no sides at all, no change in body composition and no elevated fatburning etc.
If I had taken like 4 IU there cannot be expected much, but I was taking 15 ius on normal days and 20 ius on days when I trained weaker bodyparts.
The lab analysis is written in german. The text under the igf 1 result says that the igf 1 value is only slightly elevated. (288 ng/ml)
I used pharma hgh in the past and know my stuff. I know what to expect and what to feel. But this is nowhere near what 20 IU hgh should do with you.
EDIT: It is not allowed to talk about insulin so I deleted the last sentence..
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What ended up happening with this?
Have you tried and tested any other brands of hgh?
Without a serum test it is impossible to say. Over the years we have seen IGF numbers all over the place because everyone is different. But in the end the serum test if done properly tells the truth.
Yes
I agree Pale
I’ve personally done the 10iu and greater dosing blast for 7-10 days (preload) with a nice “linear” IGF1 elevation
BUT...when I stayed ‘on’ for weeks using a high dose (10ius and greater)......my IGF1 came back slightly elevated or not elevated at all.....this was using generics, US Pharma, Chinese Pharma
The IGF1 was not ‘linear’ (1000 ng/mL)
Why is this??? Dunno
Receptor saturation.....negative feedback loop....diminish return.....(good question for MegaT)
I bet $$ it’s not Matt’s product ....we’ve been through this before....GTropin always turned out to be legit rHGH
https://www.eroids.com/pics/108-kg
from your recent selfie. your body is huge and very lean. u should get benefice from gh
I am training for 10 years, I would have done something wrong if I didn't look bigger than average
hey bro
we r here more than 5 years, there r a lot of blood test on my gh here.
pls tell me what steroids and medecine u use ?because some steroid could affect IGF1 level
and i propose u to run 6iu per day, then u run blood test on both GH serum and IGF1. coz gh serum can help us to see the problem
best regard
thanks,
At the time of the test I used about 1.000 mg test Propionate a week. No medicine, supplement wise zinc, vitamin c, caffeine, sometimes L Arginine and bcaas. On leg days or heavy back days I also used 50 mg dbol pre workout. (workout was always at about 6 pm, 7 pm
I had to strongly convince my doctor to at least make a igf 1 test and had to pay by myself. It's not that easy in Germany.
I think it's a fact that if you use 15-20 iu a day in combination with insu.. That it's impossible to get such low numbers
15-20iu?? for that money you could just get real pharma growth hormone and get the same results with 6iu
Bro, look at the test. Natural baseline here is 84-259.
My results at 288 ng/ml would be okay for 2, maybe 3 units.
I also used a lot of a substance that i am not allowed to talk about here.. Which benefits release of hgh a lot..
At the time of the test I was basically only using test.. Im training for more than 10 years now I would be surprised if IGF1 wasn't slightly elevated from the begin with..
I was thinking about if I should even reply to this.. If you would have read what I used and did to finally be sure that there's something wrong with my batch you would not ask questions like that. I was expecting a answer like that though. Sorry, from all the Information I gathered from other people now, including mods, I know that mistakes like that happen and that there's s screwed batch here and there.
I am not insane I started with 10 IU, the only reason because I ended up doing 20 iu a day was because I didn't want to go with this on the forums and complain too fast and I wanted to use a dose that HAD to give me a lot elevated levels of igf1, so I can be sure if that's not the case then my worries are in fact substantial and true. I always try to find the fault in myself before calling out sources. That's the first time I ever complain about not working products anyway.
here are some my thoughts
2, your use 15-20iu per day, but your body might not absorb all gh u pin, its not always : more u pin, better u get . u can use 6iu per day to make blood test
4 what steroids do u use ?
I'm also a member on meso rx reading people's blood tests and how they get bloods with 5 iu at over 500 igf. You guarantee full satisfaction or refund. I don't even want my money back, I just want actual GH.
the recent blood tests:
www.eroids.com/pics/hgh-and-igf-results#
www.eroids.com/pics/my-igf-1-results-before-and-after-2-weeks-of-godtropin
www.eroids.com/pics/gf1-blood-work#
Still no response from the source.. I think that's a bad sign...
sorry, i didn't ignore u. last 6 month, because of my personal issue, i didn't come here often.
i reply all email 2-3 times per day, u didnt send me email . thats why i didnt know, my apologize . i will come often to this board since now. sorry again
he was online making some comments on different section 2 hours ago
Thanks Bro, I saw it. He's just ignoring me, PMs too
I've used this source for the last 15 months. I'm an old dude, competitive bodybuilder in the mid 80's. After many orthopedic surgeries my goals are different, I just want to feel good and be out of pain while still being strong and looking good. Still hanging at 6"0" 212 at 7%. Never touched "taboo" and it was my first try with GH. Anyway, I never experienced welts of any kind. My baseline IGF numbers in the years prior were 100-135 on several tests prior to usage.
I gradually ramped up my dosage from 3IU to 12 IU. 3 IU moved it to the 170"s, while 8-12 IU's put it consistently into the 290's. I also did a serum GH test, which showed a level of 18.5. The top end of the range was 7. This was with 8IU injected 3 hrs prior. This was from April 2018. There is only so much your liver to convert, and at my age it is obviously less. I'm on TRT with some deca added in for joint relief.
The only way to find if your batch is bunk or underdosed is to lay off the "taboo" and any orals and do a serum GH test. I don't know if the taboo can affect the serum GH test, but it would be possible. I have a couple of recent batches I haven't used, so I hope this hasn't changed. I definitely experienced the CTS, fluid retention, and joint swelling you would expect. I think the potency has varied, but it is definitely GH and I never have shown any allergic signs.
Sorry to hear the source is offline. It has worked well for me, but it looks like I will need to find a new source now. Good luck to you.
Hey Bro.. You are right.. I read that people often get it but it's not harmful.. So I injected anyway. Never got any welts on pharm gh.
No water retention, no tingling or numb hands, no tiredness when injecting before bed. I tried everything, up to 24 iu at once before sleep, with and without "taboo" , nothing happened.
Idk how high it was before start but I know with that much gh and all the taboo I was injecting (a lot) numbers should have been in the 600+ range at least
My igf level goes into the 600 range on 8iu of Serostom. 20 iu you should be AT LEAST that.
Exactly
Do u know what ur IGF number was before u started? At 20iu's u should have been experiencing serious water retention along with at the very least some tingling in the hands if they weren't completely fucking numb half the time. Other than that I can tell u that the first time I got red welts would have been the last time I injected that shit. Red welts is an indication your body was rejecting it it's an allergic reaction and it happens from time to time even on pharmacy HGH, but anytime I've ever seen it on generics its a total red flag
Sitting on 10 kits, that sucks. 15-20iu my fingers would pop.
By the way, telling from your experience, what should 20 IU a day do to my body if they were legit? Extremely numb hands, water retention,..?
I would never use 20iu/d even with the other stuff you were using so I don't know what additional benefits it would do but I would expect there to be some serious side effects with water retention. Then you would need to combat that with drugs and so on and it just wouldn't be worth it from a recreational stand point. Point of diminishing returns though after awhile and could spend that money better elsewhere I believe. Instead of dosing GH that high I would add in IGF-LR3 instead along with your other stuff. Synergy between all those three compounds is going to be way better than 20iu of GH.
Thank you Bro for sharing this wisdom! That's why I love this platform. 20 IU is ofc exaggerated. But for me it was used to be sure that my gh is bunk. I didn't want to believe it until my bloods came back at 288 while using 15 - 20 iu.
If it was the real deal I think I would have used 12 iu max in conjuction with "taboo".
it must be frustrating for you to spend money in GH and get low numbers.. anyway i was using this brand two years ago with good numbers 4IU (but 10iu 3h before test) 430IGF1 but i guess things change sometimes... now im using diferent source from here for great price and 3.6IU daily and 3.6IU 3:45 before test came at 6.6 serum and 340IGF1 pretty solid.. next time double tripple check stuff before buy but it is and ill be lottery everythime with UG .. and yes 20IU will be way too much to use. Good luck
It is more than frustrating.. Saving money for the 10 kits took me a long time. Knowing that I will use gh as long as possible and having not much money available I waited before I could afford the 10 kits.
I hesitated a lot and ever since being registered here on eroids I didn't order gh. I thought that godtropin has established himself to be the best and most used source for gh on eroids and I read a lot of reviews, tests, spoke to people before ordering.
I got to know that the source is not always consistent in quality but most of the time it is okay from what I read.
I read about the red welt thing but I knew I would tolerate that if at least the gh would be legit.
I now talked to my doctor again and with other bodybuilders who have way more experience than I do, and everyone said that 20 iu even 15 iu would give such horrible sides (besides the positive effects on muscle growth, looks, recovery and so on) that it is impossible that I can pin a whole bottle of 24 iu a day (which I was doing for the last few weeks, because I couldn't believe that it producers nothing but hurting welts from time to time) without my body responding if it was legit gh.
Maybe it has been ok in the past and I was very very unlucky with my order. I don't know.
If people don't believe me pinning 24 iu a day I can do something like a video diary for the remaining bottles I got.
Sent pm to the source few days ago , waiting for any statement. It would be okay if I get compensated with just the real legit gh that I ordered. I can do another igf test on my own cost with the new batch if wanted, while using 10 iu because I don't think I can use 15 to 20 again if the stuff is legit.
Just my thoughts on this, as I am badly disappointed and angry on myself throwing away so much money.
I did my research though, didn't buy too fast without studying the source. Shit happens even if you do your homework.
Im at 24 IU now, a bottle a day, just for experimenting. The only thing I get are thick lumps worse and worse. I will stop now and dump the rest of the bottles, who knows what kind of toxic stuff I put in my body with this batch.
There are no words how angry I am at myself to burn almost 3k €" for nothing, putting trust in the good reviews and tests.
If the hgh was legit I could have brought my physique to another level.
Source still offline
Edit: ok he was online yesterday.. But still no reaction
do your bloods for hgh serum, i did mostly with all orders and sometimes igf-1 had 460igf1 with 3ui, and i never had any side effects perhaps the smallest red welt ever since its 3ui a day only, i foudn new source last 5months so cant talk about this batch tho, but in my country if you pay for hgh serum its like 12euros and igf-1 40euros add me as a friend ill send you PM
to mate celkom drahe .... u nas serum 5 euro a igf-1 10 euro
I noticed that the source is offline since Apr 29th, 2019. Not a good sign I guess. I really don't want to face the reality that I paid 2k for nothing.
It is simply not possible to use 15-20 iu gh in conjunction with a lot of "taboo" and get a bloodwork with 288 ng/ml. Didn't experience any effects or side-effects whatsoever.
Maybe most of the batches are okay, but the one I got is definitely not. I just want to have this corrected.
He sent it without label, he said because of customs, so I cannot tell the batch number, but the source should know..
The bloodwork was also taken by high quality German lab, not any lab in Kazakhstan or whatever.
Lol that’s low for 3iu
lol yup
Damn thats very low for 15 or even 20IUs. What means the text beyond the result, maybe that's a info that there are deviations in the testing report.
And the last sentence means that this lab test has been personally validated by Dr. A. Schüssler.
The test has been made in a solid, reliable and up to date german lab. I don't even want to think about what they charge me for that test.
LADR GmbH Medizinisches Versorgungszentrum Baden-Baden, Lange Straße 65
76530 Baden-Baden
That's the name of the lab, which is the biggest lab in Germany used by all kinds of doctors, clinics and so on
The text below the result means that igf 1 is slightly higher than normal (because 288 ng/ml is slightly above the upper limit) and to clarify why the value is higher than normal I should contact the doctor for getting more data, to find out where the elevation comes from.
Well, we know where the elevation comes from, but I expected it to be at around 600,700 since I used a lot of "taboo" with it and from 15-20 iu it should be sky high on its own.
Thanks for posting
Look at that HbA1c almost 6 %, my guess is that it´s working, it´s making you almost diabetic
He was using taboo
It's strange that I am not allowed to talk about it since it is necessary to understand the whole thing.
But everyone can add 1+1 and it should be clear what I used that I cannot talk about because it can harm a lot if used wrong
FR sent bro
accepted
Noooo! Not right when I’m almost ready to order.
Yikes. Not looking good. People have avoided the red welts by going IM with this particular brand of gh. I hope Matt can get you squared away proper. Unfortunately it’ll probably mean more of your time and money though to prove if they’re legit or not. I wish you the best of luck.
Whatever is necessary. Atm I am just shocked and pissed that the concerns I had from the beginning are true and that a big amount of money and time is wasted for me. Also I endangered my body with insulin because I thought I had legit GH and it is worth it
How I look is a big part of how I earn my living..
Thank you for your good wishes.
What else were you taking. Any AAS, supplements that have Biotin in etc? Do you know the assay/methodology the lab used to run the test?Take a look at my forum - https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/igf-1-testing-experime...
No Biotin. Coenzyme Q10, caffeine, creatine, bcaa
Test prop at 150mg ed dbol at 50mg ed
Were you running the dbol when you did the test?
I always use them pre workout at about 7pm.
I had to make the test at 10 am on empty stomach.
Take two weeks off the dbol and test again. Try and not use taboo for at least 24 hours before your blood test. Also add a HG Serum test while you’re at it. Try get the lab to clarify the assay/method used for the IGF-1 test. Also do you have a baseline for your IGF-1?
There are too many variables here and IGF-1 testing is one of the most fickle tests prone to interferences all I’ve the place. Your high Hb1ac despot the taboo use tells me something is working as someone pointed out above. Also take a look at the protocol for testing on my forum as clarified by MegaT833.
For the record while I had excellent IGF-1 scores on this GH I too had terrible red welts and had to do all injections IM. That was a couple of years ago and I will never use them again. Too much risk of antibodies and permanent issues as a result in my view.