posted Wed, 01/09/2019 - 15:57
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+ 5 Deca vs NPP vs EQ
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Im not a big fan of Deca or EQ but i never tried NPP. I just feel Deca and EQ take way too long to show any progress. Im a test and or Tren guy. I have friends that say i need to use Deca or EQ as a base which i think is BS. Whats your opinion on these compounds?
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I read through this post there is a ton of good info in here, If it keeps going call me crazy but i'm thinking sticky.
Who_CaresWhen you get Makwa, Giardap Growmore and some others speaking on a topic you better listen.
wise words bro.
Who_CaresAlways thought EQ and Deca were equals except that EQ has less water retention
Not even close. If you're an endurance athlete EQ is great, reduced time between sets and feel like you can train longer with less rest but if you're a bodybuilder like most here, Deca is far superior in terms of gains in size and strength. I've used EQ in a few cycles and it takes around 7-8 weeks to see results that IMO weren't worth the wait. Deca kicks in for me around 4 weeks and drastically increases size and fullness of my muscles.
RustyhookerTry npp at first 8 weeks....
Thats the ticket man.... i did npp 1-12 eq 1-20 and loved it
I'm a fan of NPP, Start seeing results fairly quickly and packs on size nicely however I've done multiple cycles of both NPP and Deca separately and for me the Deca gains I tend to hold onto longer. As for eq I really won't waste my time with it anymore. I ran it in 3 cycles, all were 16 weeks long and was underwhelmed with the results. Others may respond better to it but for me there's much better options.
RustyhookerI used to love eq. It always did a great job on lean gains and cardio endurance. But im thinking it might have dwindled in adding mass because it lingers so long. Hit a 18week cycle and those long esters take a good 5 more weeks to lower. Desensitized possibly?
So ya, i finall hit npp 300 with sust 750 and mast....loved it! So i later tried npp300 til week 8 on eq cycle. It added the quick bump but i think im going to hit npp again next cycle. Lean gains if food matched. 3 times with npp and its been fun.
Deca...i think i needed to run it a lil higher. I ran deca sust with deca at 350. High cals. And really was underimpressed compared to npp. Id bet at 450 it would be a better run. Still learning....
I'm running eq now, defenitly not powerful but I also feel healthy while on it. 20 weeks is defenitly doable without dieing lol
RustyhookerIt is a long slow process. Seemed easier to keep the gains as we get used to the changes in diet. Hope you finish well. Would like to hear your updates.
Hows your e2 looking? Eq has a weak ai conversion so i wonder if folks get e2 low which halts gains
I have noticed that my skin will get dry from time to time. It seems like I have needed less and less AI as the cycle has went on
RustyhookerWork that angle and find yourself in nice gains. Get a lil oilly and sex drive, gains, etc thru roof. If ya need help let me know. Some runs i had to hit tne to keep oilly and e2 in range...too dry...
Looks like I'm going to be hitting the suspension like we talked about lol. Thanks rusty
Yeah, I'd give Deca another shot at a higher dose. 450mg is the sweet spot for me, maybe even 500 would be good but I wouldn't go much higher than that personally bc I get excellent gains at the 450 mark, no sense in taking more than neccessary to reach your goals. My last cycle was 800 test and 450 Deca and I put on 23 good pounds, that was over 5 weeks ago and I've retained 19 of those pounds.
RustyhookerNice! Appreciate that info!
Anytime bro
Who_CaresGood shit D! Most of us dobt think in terms of endurance
Yeah, endurance and vascularity is basically my results from EQ with slight lean gains. Just not enough there for me to justify using it again.
RustyhookerChemically not even the same. Thus differing actions. H2O vs h2O2....chemistry...
Achilles412Big fan of NPP n deca both can be run at Lower-medium doses with very little effect on blood pressure and lipid profile. Sustainable size gains good strength gains and Decca has withstood the test of time. Been around and used successfully forever. NPP is pretty much just fast acting Decca and can save you from “moon face” or Decca bloat of you prone to those sides. In my opinion the ester choice is dependent on what your trying to do. As for EQ never a fan takes forever and turns your blood into pudding. But gains last.
I have ran EQ ones and I can say that I never will use it again it’s too week and takes forever to see changes
Deca with low test and Anadrol. Boom!
short esters dump faster but are ultimately less anabolic than mid esters
EQ is just a weak anabolic, there is no magic switch
Deca is a master steroid for muscle for these reasons:
1.It doesnt aromtise much
2.No water retention
3. Very low sides profile, clean AF
4. Doesnt impact estrogen
5. Doesnt impact prolactin
6. starts working within 12 hours
7. High binding affinity for the androgen receptor
Look, muscle doesnt magically appear overnight. (presuming we are talking about bodybuilding rather than just strength/power). So instead of thinking about sides markers, we should really be thinking about anabolism.
However, on a cycle where we add moderate or high test to deca, all those lovely benefits get skewed by testo sides and people keep blaming deca (wrongly).
Dont give up on one of the best anabolics known to man. Best approach is very low test to give enough estrogen to function and deca from 600mg +.
Even better again to add very low GH and igf/Lr3 to prevent androgen receptor binding proteins from causing plateaus (IGF) and GH to prevent GH levels dropping and keep other functions supplied with gh..
Wait. I thought test to Deca ratio was supposed to be 1.5/1
Old school ratios were based on mg's per vial - so all bullshit basically
500t to 300/4/5/6 (durabolin was in 100mg/ml vials you see)
so usually you'd read old schoolers saying 5-4 or 750-600 etc
Anyways, thats where the need for ai's came from. Too much test left doing nothing other than aromatise and cause problems.
hands down broski !!
saluted !!
I love your posts man. If you wrote a book id buy it. No homo
If I wrote a book it would be about porn lol
Shit id buy that one too.
Giardap’s deca and sex playbook
bring it
I have been working on it for years, but I keep getting distracted!!
yeah I got you bro:)
Who_CaresHe needs his right hand to write it LMAO
hahaha!!
I’d read that too
Chapter 1: Reverse Rape Fantasies - There is a line in the sand, look behind you!
damn it !!
Who_CaresYou guys have totally reversed my view of Deca. Thanks G
Glad to hear that. Regardless of what you end up doing that is!
I’ve only ran NPP once and at 400mg per week but I was underwhelmed by it, probably need to run it higher but I can’t justify that when deca is cheaper, less injections and once the water disappears deca leaves you with an INSANE amount of lean muscle which you didnt have before, it changed my whole look forever. NPP, the recovery is easier and it’s quicker but that’s the only advantage I can see. I’ve never used EQ.
RustyhookerMight switch brands on npp. I had a great brand at 300...loved it. Retried different brand....switched back because 2nd was mediocre and started growing again at same doses.
I might have to take your advice on that one as I am now a big fan of deca.
Deca and EQ may take longer but one thing I will say is that often times the longer and slower it takes to put on mass the more retainable that mass is. The body has time to adjust to it and won't fight it as much. I am more interested in what mass remains after cycle than how quickly my muscles load up with glycogen and water that aren't retained after cycle. Pop and oral if you want instant gratification but the longer esters due to cycle length will more often than not lend themselves to more retainable LBM than the shorter esters.
One other thing with Deca Vs NPP is that deca actually produces more lean tissue than NPP. it all has to do with the pharmakinetics of the compounds. Big study was done on this but unfortunately I can't find it now so take that with a grain of salt if you don't believe me.
I thought test was supposed to be more than Deca. Why people saying lower test now
I'll stick with my test higher than deca.
Who_CaresMak you are always believed! Great post thanks
Kick the deca with npp for 6 weeks and problem solved.
I stole that from gymjunkie but it’s a nice way to get things rolling while you wait for the deca. You start to feel it by the end of the first week, by end of week 2 you’ve already put on a little size and it just gets better from there.
Who_CaresThanks BM i just may try that. I know many guys love NPP
That’s what I was gonna do when I got to the Deca bulk