posted Sat, 06/23/2018 - 06:44
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+ 1 10 week cycle w/ Var/Tbol then Var/Win
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Hi I am a 36 year old male, 211lbs, 19.4% body fat (according to the handheld measure) looking to increase lean mass and strength and then shred down while continuing strength increase albiet slowly. Here is the cycle I am considering doing. I am obviously looking for feedback because I know I don't have all the answers.
Week 1-6 (test c 500mg/week) ["Bulk"]
80mg anavar/daily
40mg tbol/daily
12.5mg aromasin/daily
Week 7-10 (test c 500mg/week) ["Cut"]
80mg anavar/daily
40mg winstrol/daily
12.5mg aromasin/daily
40-140mcg clen/daily (doing the 4 week slow increase method)
Additional supplements
-20-40mg 1,3dm
-15-20mg yohimbine hcl
-liver cleanse supplement
-3-5mg taurine (when taking clen)
- Bookmark
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Wooooo! Pretty crazy stuff going on in these forums nowadays.I need to start staying active again.
Anyways NO.
Go find a good diet and stick with it, diet is everything with gear. Also you cannot bulk, then cut in a cycle that is rediculous. You either bulk or cut.
I won't mind helping you 6 months down the road, after seeing diet progress.
Right now on gear you will be a walking heart attack.
Lol
RustyhookerSo youre here to be a rep or sell gear?
not at all.
RustyhookerI see your name changed. Good
Does this guy have mutiple accounts or was he a troll or somethin?
Nah - my name got changed bc apparently there is a brand called DeviantGear.
Understood
I don’t like the looks of this cycle at all! I really hope your not still rocking
This cycle
nope - I'm taking in all the feedback.
"36 year old male, 211lbs, 19.4% body fat (according to the handheld measure) looking to increase lean mass and strength and then shred down while continuing strength increase albiet slowly."
I havent read the below comments but that is all diet if ypu want to do it gradually. I do not agree with overweight people using ("performance enhancing" enhancing being the operative word) until they are serious about their diet, training, and goals. You sir seem to have conjured up the magical anavar as a fat burning aid without understanding that without a proper discipline you WILL NOT ACHIEVE your desired results. No one should co sign this "cycle" and i use that term loosely as you obviously are not commited if you wont run test as a base by jabbing your ass.
How is your blood work? Are you even healthy enough to run these compounds? What does your diet, training, and PCT look like? Dont waste your time money or health. Take the time to execute this slowly and remember this is a marathon not a sprint.
Thank you for the info - definitely going back drawing board. Please note this cycle idea and the next one are with test c base.
very very good idea! Your liver will thank you! +1 for being humble and not being hard headed!
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Because you are listening and deciding to take some advice without being a dick +1
I'm sure you will have close to zero gains from this cycle but many sides!
Lol that’s what I’m getting
Test is all you need brotha these guys are spot on. No need to rush into any of this do some more dieting and some more homework and you’ll be good to go but not worth running this cycle. These guys are all experienced and are giving you some honest advice.
First of all you need to lower your body fat imo to 12 percent. Secondly drop all the orals and treat this as your first cycle. 400-500mg of test e or c for 12 weeks. There is no bulk and cut in the same cycle you’d be just spinning your wheels. A first cycle should be a bulk. You need bloods to see how you need to dose your ai. Why is there no mention of pct at all either? IMO you should scratch the idea of a cycle until you have done some real research because you have no idea what your doing.
Why should a first cycle be a bulk??? Cycle depends on your goals...
He did say he should drop his body fat then do a bulk cycle.
"A first cycle should be a bulk."
This is exactly what he wrote, bro ;)
The first comment saidndrop your body fat. Then a first cycle should be a bulk. You honestly think a cut would be a wise choice for a first cycle? Ask all the vets on here and I’m sure they’ll tell you the same thing
And his goal is to bulk. The first half of his cycle says it.
You make your best gains on your first cycle. Why would you waste it on a cut?
SMH... one oral only cycle done and never pinned testo? Now you wanna start a totally dumb "cycle" with so many orals? Also 10 weeks of test cyp is way too short! If you want to start a cycle, then test only with 250mg ena or cyp e3d for about 16-20 weeks. But before you should get your bf down...
He’s never ran a real cycle and your suggesting a 5 month first cycle?
Read carefully, bro. I've suggested around 4 months up to 5. With longesters it's a g2g duration. He could do 3 months, but imo its not enough to hold much of his gains even with doing a proper pct....
12 weeks is for a first cycle. Not 16-20
Ok, bro. I don't wanna discuss this back and forth. You're totally right....
First of all ten weeks of orals is dumb. You’re gambling with your liver. Secondly taking full doses of two orals at once is also dumb for the same reason. When your liver is stressed you don’t metabolize food as well which is what you need to make gains. I’ve spoken to many experienced vets in here and elsewhere and one bit of knowledge they’ve shared with me is if you aren’t contest prepping leave the orals the fuck alone. They’re far too harsh for the benefits to outweigh the costs.
Uchibah458Have you ran any cycles in the past? If so, what compounds did you use and for how long? What did the PCT layout look like? If you have never ran anything before, I suggest listening to the others below and get your BF down some more, clean up your diet and focus on DIET/CARDIO. Then maybe some TestE/C for 12 weeks followed by PCT. Start with one compound at a time, no need for multiples like you have suggested.
Terrible idea all the way around.
Complete miscomprehension on all points
Please stop and continue to research thoroughly
I have done similar cycles before.
The result is always disappointing.
oh no - disappointing how?
That’s not how bulking and cutting work bubba.
I would also manipulate caloric intake as well as increase HIIT and LISS cardio... can you please tell me more?
You need to research about how the body maintains homeostasis and how sudden weight gain affects it.
Your proposal up top is like pissing on a trampoline while jumping on it - it won’t give you the result you think it will.
I'm pretty sure I'd get the results I expected... What results did you think you'd get before you tried it?
In my defense this was during college, and under the influence. Also in my defense, I was not the pissee, but the scientist making observations about parabolic travel.
That’s a very specific analogy. Sounds like you’ve have very applicable experience.
How many cycles have you done?
Finishing off 1st. I did just the orals and I was able to make great strength gains (ex: took 5x5 deadlift from 225 to 305 in 7 weeks). Didn't use test and I feel like my results would've been more pronounced if I had. I have some on its way and will be finishing off with win/var/test and clen. I'll PCT off this one and then get going on the next one.
Dude you shouldn’t even think about cycling till you can 5x5 405 easily. Sounds like you’re way not ready for any of this. Your stats suggest you could put on another 20-30 lean pounds before thinking about a needle.
If you have never pinned test before i would start with that. Test c 500mg/week can do some real wonders. More isnt always better. Maybe throw in some anadrol for the first 4 weeks. Keep it simple.
And split the dose. Monday 250mg test c thursday 250mg test c.
Heaze2016To many orals together, this isn't mix and match, smh no
would it be better just to stick with anavar or maybe tbol?
Heaze2016I don't think you would see much result wise with the anavar because of your BF%, so I would stick with the tbol. When you do orals there are certain protocols you follow, 1# always run a test base. 2# Just pick 1 oral per cycle and usually people say 6-8 weeks max on orals because of the strain on the liver.
Thank you so much for the feedback - what body fat would you suggest I cut down to in order to make the most of it?