posted Thu, 05/24/2018 - 01:33
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+ 2 Mid Cycle Bloods ADex dosage Question
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I am mid way through of the below cycle
Test # 750mg weekly
HCG 500 ui Weekly
I started to feel the gains plataeu a bit and new it was time for the bloods. I have doctor RX grade Adex and wanted the pros suggestions on dosage at the below blood levels. Should I load 1 today then go to .25 EOD or just start at EOD. 100+ is high and want to get that down. I am.thinking .5 EOD but don't want to crash my estrogen either.
Important lesson for those whom don't show signs of estrogen increases does not mean your estrogen is NOT up.
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got pre-cycle bloods to do a contrast?
I wouldnt be surprised if your blood values (rbc etc) are working their way upwards, from whatever your norm was, which would lead to the "* a little more tired than normal*" feeling.
RBC was 4.61 to 5.18 now. Is this a lot?, I will research because tired sucks ass
It is a normal progression on cycle, but it is a thickening of the blood, you could say. It is why people donate blood on cycle and usually energy is the first and immediate noticable beneficial effect from a donation.
And I'm doing that today for sure.... Thank you for that
I have always used Adex .5 eod maybe 1 mg but that’s because I’m estro prone and I have taken many blood exams and I know I’ve learned my body to that point. Also have you been using HCG the whole cycle ?? That could be a factor since hcg can spike ur estro but I would say you maybe you should of just run the hcg towards the end of your cycle. Hcg is mainly to jump start ur nuts so ur jump starting them and turning them off at the same time doesn’t really work well like that. I would say drop the hcg till ur about 2-3 weeks out dial in ur estro then adjust when you add hcg again. Ps I would recommend aromasin for pct to avoid that rebound and so you can keep estro in check when ur using hcg because I would also recommend using hcg through half of your pct to ensure ur nuts are back in full action
Gotcha, right now I am happy with results in progress, have no estrogen sides except maybe a little water retention, HCG at 45 is the ability to help the boys coming into the PCT to make that smoothers so I am going to follow the advice and go .25 E3D and take an Estrogen test in two weeks and see from there.
Heaze2016Aren't those test numbers low for 750mg test per week, shouldnt they be around 6k
Yeah seems low to me. That is what I would expect with about 500mg/wk. 750mg/wk should be putting him closer to 4k. Could be the way he metabolizes test but yeah for most people I would expect much higher numbers than that.
I had heard it is usually somewhere in the range of 4x your dosage. But I cannot confirm that with any data and would think 6k is way too high. Hmmmmm, good question though
Heaze2016It usually goes by a 10/1 ratio,but let a vet chime in and confirm this.
More on the range of a 5:1 ratio but can really start to deviate from that once you get into higher mg/wk.
I tried to find info on this but could not. I had my gear tested pre cycle so know it's legit so could be the way I metabolize but would love to read more.
How was your gear tested?
I have a guy that makes a shit ton of money and sends it off. Not sure the place or name but trust the guy and his ability to have more money than sense.
You don’t need to frontload your AI. I’d take it for a week or two and retest estrogen. Start low and work your way up in dose.
Awesome. Thank you
Almost forgot, plus 2 for getting your fucking bloodwork and actually paying attention to it. This is how it’s done fellas.
Thank you brother man. I don't post alot but constantly reading and digesting the information and feedback on this board. I work hard and want to capitalize on the times when I am "on the gift" to include durring and post . Thanks for the plus 2 and for the great feedback.
Have you been taking any Adex at all during cycle? Have you used adex before in a cycle and what dose if you have? 750mg and I need to dose adex .25mg EOD. 500mg and it is .25 E3d. What symptoms of high estro are you experiencing? Sensitive nips, water retention, moodiness?
Gains shouldn't plateau because of high estro. Best to run it on the high end of normal when bulking. Estro is anabolic to an extent and is needed to grow. Low estro and gains come to a halt. You may need to reassess diet/training as the culprit here and not high estro.
Sorry I replied to this once but it disappeared.
Have you been taking any Adex at all during cycle? NO
Have you used adex before in a cycle and what dose if you have? NO
What symptoms of high estro are you experiencing? Sensitive nips, water retention, moodiness? NONE, except a little more tired than normal but I am a pretty go time all the time kinda person.
Gains shouldn't plateau - I was exaggerating a bit. I love the initial click when the power hits like everyone else so often miss that inital boom.
No need to do anything extreme then. Start out at .25mg E3d and retest in a couple of weeks to see if you have it dialed in more to your liking.
Sir,
This is a smart approach, thank you Sir for being here and looking after the guys.
Regards
I am going to work on lowering my BUN levels as well with some aggressive liver detoxs and completely cut out any booze from my diets. Tough to get away from the high protein right now as suggested but pen to thoughts on this as well. BUN was at 31 to start cycle because of the high protein diet