First Cycle - Pre Cycle Blood Work - What Do You Think?
First post..
I'm 25 - 26 in 4 months. 5'7" cut down from 170 to 153 recently. Been training for a while now. Looking to put on some solid muscle and convert to the dark side. Got my Test E 300mg/ml. I've been doing tons of research for the past few years and even more within the last few months and I think i'll be ready in a month or two max, just waiting to get pct on hand (pharma grade - waiting for nolva and clomid now it's in the mail. Then ordering hcg and aromasin)
Just got my blood work done, uploaded a picture of the results. What do you guys think?
After a ton of research I wanted to run my first cycle like this..
Weeks 1-12 : Test Enanthate @ 300mg/ml on Sunday morning + Wednesday nights.
Weeks 1-14 : Aromasin 12.5mg ED (half tab)
Weeks 1-12 : HCG 250iu 2x a week
Weeks 1-14 : HCG 250iu 2x/week stop 3 days before PCT
Week 15 : Clomid 100 / Nolva 40
Week 16 : Clomid 100 / Nolva 40
Week 17 : Clomid 50 / Nolva 20
Week 18 : Clomid 50 / Nolva 20
Last HCG pin 3-4 days before starting PCT
Aromasin on cycle. Start beginning cycle come off 24hrs before PCT.
Diet will be on point, I am going to write it out this weekend. I will be eating around 600-700 calories above maitenence and adjusting macros as I gain weight. Currently I'm still on my cutting diet. Wanted to drop BF% as much as possible before cycle.
If all is good to go, once I get my HCG and Aromasin I am going to start and I will post a log in the appropriate sub forum on here.
Also got my pins. 3cc syringes, 20g x 1 1/2" for drawing, 25g x 5/8th, 25g x 1", bacteriostatic water for hcg, slin pins for HCG 1/2cc 30g x 1/2", gloves and alcohol swabs also.
Open to any feedback and suggestions. Read all stickies across several boards and hope I covered all topics for my first post. Again pre cycle blood work results attached. Will get blood work 4 weeks in and post cycle as suggested.
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Thank you for all this great info D, as soon as I get home from the gym I am going to open and read the links you sent me. Once I have read them I will report back here and ask you any questions I have. I'm definitely putting the gear on the shelf and waiting.
Good to hear buddy. Good to hear. No rush, and feel free to ask here or PM me with any questions
bigmurph+1 thanks d I think that this guy really wants help and is willing to listen.
Also I love that you gave him that link golden
yea, buddy. it's honestly refreshing. I hope he takes it to heart. Seems like he is.
bigmurphCan someone explain why this member was neg 3x for no reason I can see he is trying to get good advice
Please change the neg or explain the reason for them
That's good lookin out for him like that....he got +2 back from me....
bigmurphYou're a good man brother because he doesn't deserve it for the src name i agree thats a neg he needs to learn the rules.
But I believe that his open and willingness to listen and take advice is proof he is serious about getting on the right path.
I see alot of young members get pushed off the site because they get neg early on and then who knows what happens from there. I think we could really get this guy going in a good direction. He did say he will shelf the gear and take advice from anyone who is willing to offer. Thats not very common lately I know you have seen almost everything that has been being posted lately by younger guys that know everything. Lol
I appreciate your help in this situation thanks brother
TEAM approach is always best....we Eroids members are always stronger together, than apart....
He posted a source name, then removed it. I agree he shouldn't be negged for anything else. He is receptive and wants to learn. He edited the src name out and has provided some information for us to work with and help him.
Post BF%. Remove the source name from your post, please, fix your PCT plan.
Your FSH is low for someone of your age, as well as your LH, and your BUN is trending up. The BUN/Cr ratio has already been flagged on your BW. IMHO, postponing this cycle for a year would be a better option. Bigmurph is right we need to see a diet plan...the stuff that ACTUALLY makes you bigger, stronger, better....
What other meds/drugs do you take? What are your allergies to foods and meds? And, what type of foods are you eating? If I asked you if you drank 2 gallons of water per day, what would you tell me?
I'm still gathering a history on you...I'll be back..
Thanks for the reply, I just removed source name from thread I apologize. I don't take any meds currently, I have zero allergies to foods/meds. I'm on a vegan diet currently. I'm drinking 2 protein shakes a day, morning with my breakfast and post workout. Tofu, tempeh, farro, buckwheat, edamame, almonds, banana, some fruit. In my shake I throw in pepitas, hulled hemp seeds and peanut butter in the morning. I can copy and paste my exact diet when I get home from work.
If you asked if I drank 2 gallons of water per day I would tell you the honest truth, I drink about 1 gallon of water per day. Give or take maybe a glass. I carry a gallon jug around the job site with me everyday.
I read that extra protein could cause my Creatinine levels to be higher or possible a calorie deficit because it surpassed the HPTA and Thyroid. But I did notice my FSH was low but not exactly sure why. I feel like everything is working great down there, never had any problems ever with anything.
Will have to calc BF% and post it all I could do is take a picture or give a rough estimate
Also if you don't mind please elaborate on fix my PCT, suggestions?
Second week of PCT should repeat the first...I look forward to seeing more input from you later on this evening. Have a good day at work.
You may have to run a 6 week PCT for your HPTA to make a full recovery. The hCG will help with that too.
You will need to increase your water....
I'll be back....
How many calories above maintenence do you recommend? I thought 600-700 cals above maintence would be a good starting point, should I eat 1K+ calories over maintenance?
You are at a good starting point. Start out with your 600-700 then increase from there to 1000. You may find that eating more than 1000 cal over you adjusted macros, including activity, is not hard to accomplish.
Can you post an unidentifiable pic and show us your daily caloric/macros intake? I know you said you were going to do this later this evening. Keep us updated, please.
Daily Macros: 250/300/120
Daily calories: 5000 starting off
Here was my first cutting diet when I got down to 160lbs
Breakfast
4 hard boiled eggs 308cals/4g carbs/24g protein/20g fat
Udo 3-6-9 blend 135cals/0g carbs/0g protein/15g fat
1 med banana 105cals/27g carbs/1g protein/0g fat
multivitamin
------------------------548cals/31g carbs/25g protein/35g fat--------------------
Post W/O Shake
½ cup quaker OF oats 150cals/27g carbs/5g protein/3g fat
1 scoop GS EMC Whey 130cals/4g carbs/24g protein/1.5g fat
1 cup original unsweetened Almond Breeze Almond Milk 30cals/1g carbs/1g protein/2.5g fat
1 tbsp nautral peanut butter 100cals/4g carbs/4g protein/9g fat
-------------------- 410cals/36g carbs/34g protein/16g fat --------------------
Lunch
6oz chicken breast 213cals/0g carbs/27g protein/3g fat
med sweet potato 181cals/41g carbs/4g protein/0g fat
Chobani nonfat greek yogurt 5.3 oz 90cals/7g carbs/15g protein/0g fat
----------------------- 484cals/48g carbs/74g protein/3g fat-------------------------
Dinner
2 slices Natures Own 12 Grain bread 158cals/30g carbs/16g protein/6g fat
1 cup ground turkey 296cals/0g carbs/34g protein/16g fat
1 cup brown rice 216cals/45g carbs/5g protein/2g fat
4tsp Texas Pete Hot Sauce 0 cals/0g carbs/0g protein/0g fat
1 med apple 80 cals/22g carbs/0g protein/0g fat
-----------------------750cals/97g carbs/55g protein/24g fat -------------------------
2,192 calories/212g carbs/188g protein/78g fat
Carb 220g
Protein 165g
Fat 73g
Hit 156, decided to try a vegan diet and adjusted again..
Shake
1 cup original unsweetened Almond Breeze Almond Milk 30cals/1g carbs/1g protein/2.5g fat
1 scoop Vega One FV 160cals/10g carbs/20g protein/12g fat
1 medium banana 105cals/27g carbs/1g protein/0g fat
½ oz pumpkin seeds (pepitas) 76.5cals/5g carbs/3.5g protein/13g fat
1 tbsp hulled hemp seeds 60cals/.3g carbs/3.3g protein/5g fat
2 tbsp natural peanut butter 200cals/8g carbs/8g protein/18g fat
Qi’a Groats Coconut 1 pack 160cals/23g carbs/6g protein/6g fat
------- 791.6 calories / 74.3g carbs / 42.8g protein / 56.5g fat -------
Tofu Chili
1 serving 560 cals/70g carbs/32g protein/18g fat
-------- 560 calories / 70g carbs / 32g protein / 18g fat ---------
Meal Warm Farro w/ Fresh Fruit
½ cup cooked farro 170cals/35.5g carbs/7.5g protein/1g fat
½ cup original unsweetened Almond Breeze Almond Milk 15cals/.5g carbs/.5g protein/1.25g fat
¼ cup diced peaches 18cals/2.25g carbs/.25g protein/0g fat
¼ cup raspberries 16cals/1.75g carbs/.15g protein/0g fat
coconut shreds/chopped nuts sprinkled on top
------ 219 calories / 40g carbs / 8.4g protein / 2.25g fat ------
Shake (PW)
1 scoop Vega One FV 160cals/10g carbs/20g protein/12g fat
-------- 160 calories / 10g carbs / 20g protein / 12g fat -------
Snack
½ cup shelled edamame 135cals/9g carbs/12g protein/5g fat
2 tsp Sriracha 5cals/1g carbs/0g protein/0g fat
¼ cup whole almonds 207 cals/7g carbs/7g protein/18g fat
------ 347 calories / 17g carbs / 19g protein / 23g fat
Totals = 2,077.6 calories / 211.3g carbs / 122.2g protein / 111.75g fat
Macros on the current vegan diet are lower but I've been gaining strength and shredding fat, had energy at work and just always feel good. But time to bulk now, going to up my water intake a little and add another meal or two each day.
Nice and informative with specific details...
PM for pics
153lbs at 12.3% BF
Do you think I should start off eating 5K? Or should I do the progression Makwa talked about?
Lol so should I eat 5K cals or should I do the progression Makwa talked about? I can do the traditional bulk/cut if you think that's best. I would probably start with 4K cals if that's alright.
Week 1 TDEE (3270 cal)
Week 2 3270 + 250 = 3520 cal/day
Week 3 3270 + 500 = 3770 cal/day
Week 4 3270 + 750 = 4020 cal/day
Week 5 recalculate TDEE
week 6 New TDEE + 250 cal/day
Week 7 New TDEE + 500/day
etc....
That's with me going off what Dacky calculated as my TDEE.. I should do it myself also though
bigmurphHold off diet is not on point if you're bulking you need to up your diet alot. The gear will do nothing without a base and fuel meaning food
What are your goals how long have you been lifting and whats your bf now that you cut down so much
I lost some muscle cutting down as well as fat but I wanted to lose my love handles. My main goal is to eventually be around 185-195 with about a 8% bf. I wasn't obese and i've never been severely overweight or anything, I just haven't had a 6 pack in years and thought it would be nice lol. First cycle goals would be to keep a solid 12lbs of muscle realistically.
** Also been lifting on and off since 16 but steady and hard the last 2 years **
bigmurphBrother you have to go natty to atleast 180lbs and I usually will tell someone they need to get to 200lbs natty.
Its nothing against you its just the truth. You need to be in the gym eating like an animal for atleast another year before you start any cycle. So just put the gear on the shelf and wait to use it.
Get with guys here get into the forums on gaining weight naturally. Down below makwa has some of the greatest forums in his profile you can read just click his name then click forums and read all that he has written. In my opinion guys a damn near a genius.
You have a long journey that is going to be hard but I promise none of the big guys you see got there easily it just doesn't happen.
Food 60% training 30% gear 10%
Focus on a good diet then good training then come back and will get you going as soon as your really ready.
Just went through some of the topics Makwa started and read some really good stuff.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/i-know-my-tdee…-now-what-do-i-do-with-it-to-get-big-not-fat
I think I might try cycling my calories on a weekly progression as he suggested in the topic above. I gotta dial in on my diet.
Hey man I really appreciate your reply. If that's what others suggest also and seems best then that's what I will do. No bullshit, I will listen to everyone here. Will still post diet and bf% or pics for replies to people's posts. But if holding off and getting to 180lbs is best then I will do that no doubt. Thank you for your feedback, look forward to hearing back from you.
+2 for being open to listening to advise. The advise you've got so far from Murph and MedDx is spot on. Keep plugging away at building that base brother and revisit when it's come on a ways.
I will definitely continue to build a solid foundation, I haven't looked yet but if there is a sub forum for logs for members who are NOT on cycle then I will start one when I start my bulk. It will be my Pre Cycle Journey. This is an awesome forum and I just want to really thank everybody for all the help they've already given me.
I agree. OP seems receptive and willing to learn, which is an added bonus making it a win-win for everybody. OP is following advice and working at the same time! OP isn't complaining, or being rude in any way. Very nice to see good etiquette on here....
I haven't found his BF anywhere, he said he will post after work, which is fine. His body type will play a role in lifting regimens and daily food intake, as well, over the course of at least the next 8-12 months. I know I have the carbs at 300g/d and the protein 250g/d, and depending on how he does he can titrate those 2 important things over that same length of time and see some MAJOR morphological changes in strength and physique.
At the gym today I will have my BF taken. I think when I moved last I lost my calipers, I did have a pair from Vitamin Shoppe but I cannot find them. At my gym they have a machine, I can also take a picture and blur out my face so you guys can see where I am at. Currently i'm doing my own "broscience" routine. It works really well for me. I haven't found my 1RM in a while but I'm getting stronger. Some numbers 205x5x5 bench, 225x5x5 squat, 375x3x1 deadlift. Every week I alternate my main lifts like 5x5 for squat, deads, bench and push press then the next week i'll do 8-10 reps for 3 sets. I've done a 5x5 routine before, Westside for Skinny Bastards, some 8x3 bodybuilding routines. I'm not necessarily a hard gainer, I just now have a goal that I want to achieve. One day I would love to do a show. I don't just want to lift for looks though, I enjoy getting stronger especially at 5'7" haha
little man syndrome, jk.
I have a couple different routines I alternate and change. I will mix in light weight days and heavy weight days, along with pyramid and reverse pyramid. Our bodies are interesting, especially when the nutrients are there for maximum energy.
For example, I used a compound lifting regimen from May-August and I'm alternating back to a pyramid isolation/compound mix. Hitting legs 2x/week, chest/biceps, back, and delts/tris one time per week.
Right now, my food is higher in carbs and protein, too. I work on my macros/calorie intake on a daily basis. I will have times when I just don't want to eat, then I will have times when I will eat one little snack, like a piece of fruit and a couple triscuits and then all of the sudden my body kicks in and i will eat all the left overs in the fridge, start making a salad, 20-30 oz of chicken will get cooked, rice will be boiling, 2 pounds of hamburger meat will be thawing, and out of nowhere I have this ability to become an energetic chef.....lol
He's in good hands with you and Murph on this one. +2.
I'm glad OP is at work!! That will give me some time to get 2 yards mowed before it gets to be SMOKING HOT....:)
Catalyst has a diet clinic that you could benefit from....here's the link...
I posted a rough estimate of macros and calories for daily consumption....what body type are you? Ecto, endo, meso or a mix?
I'm roughly an ecto/meso mix. Going to hit the gym soon, when I get back I will eat and then have all night to finish replying to questions and giving requested information.
Ecto/meso gives you a lot to work with..
bigmurphBrother i don't know why you got neg 2x im going to give you a +1 to help but I really like your attitude and the fact that your willing to take constructive criticism.
I will help you out in any way you need if you are willing to put in the work im willing to put in the work to help you get to your goals.
Send me a fr request and I will accept also these guys dacky and meddx are great guys especially with diet and training so they can also help you out. You should approach them on this post with some questions and hopefully you can get them on your fr list also.
+2
I'll second that. Good work Murph!
bigmurphCongrats on that 500 thats what im working hard on
bigmurphThanks brother i really appreciate that