Burning fat while on TRT (and putting in the hard work)
I'm pretty new to the game as you can easily see by my post count, but I'm actually a TRT patient that has a very stingy doctor that decided that 100mg of testosterone cypionate every 2 weeks should be enough to raise my T level from 180 to an acceptable range. I'm in the US, and my doctor I'm quite sure is Syrian and Muslim and has told me that in his home country only the wealthiest of people in the country could receive a prescription for legitimate anabolics like T. cyp. and enanthate. I know of two other patients of his that receive testosterone from him, and they are in the same situation I am and even though their numbers are tanked that he will still only write for 100mg every 14 days no matter what the labs come back saying. Only pinning 100mg every two weeks is going to be fine for me for the first week, but the second week my T levels are going to start falling until I get back to the same level I was at before I even started injecting the T. cyp.
I've talked it over with friends as well as family, and I made the decision that I am going to augment what the doctor gives me with my own gear that I recently ordered from one of the popular sources on this board. The doctor wants labs from me every 4-6 weeks so I plan on pinning 100-125mg for the first 3-4 weeks and two weeks before I go to see the doctor I'm going to pin just 100mg and wait two weeks for my levels to fall back to where they're supposed to be if I were on the recommended dosage. The doc will have no problems prescribing any AIs that I might need if I'm aromatizing too much estrogen, and eventually I will also start pinning small amounts of HCG to keep my giggleberries nice and plump - which the AIs will help with of course once the doctor and I see the lab results.
I've read about people going on the HCG "diet" and that it can help lose weight, but understand that it's not an effective method if you don't watch your caloric intake and I plan on sticking with right at 2000 calories per day and packing in the protein. I do have some fat that I plan on burning off by doing the hard work. At this point in time I do 60 minutes of intense cardio every single day and occasionally try to take a day off to let my body heal and not overdo it. We all know that just because I might be pinning T and HCG that it's not going to just make the pounds fall off...it's the hard work that you put into it that gets the job done. I will also start doing some free-weights and resistance training a few times per week to build a little bit of upper muscle.
I only have one or two questions really that you guys will easily know the answers to. Since I'm actually pinning more than my endocrinologist has prescribed, will it be okay if I just pin 100mg two weeks before I have labs drawn so that the doctor doesn't get suspicious of anything? I mainly just want my doctor to monitor my labs and prescribe AIs if I need them, but will happily fill any scripts for T that he wants to give me. My hope is that after two weeks my T levels will return back to the 180s where I started or somewhere around there (if my levels drop below 180 that's fine as well as long as the numbers aren't substantially lower) and that if I need any AIs that he'll RX them for me. If I need to go about it a different way then I'm all ears as I want higher numbers than the doctor will actually prescribe me. Any input is appreciated very much.
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Man what country do you live in....sounds like you have a bunch of quacks for docs wherever you are. Never heard of so many docs in one area being so completely incompetent. Keep looking around until you actually find one who really actually knows what he is talking about no matter what it takes.
As far as your fat loss journey. I would recommend you switch your cardio and training around. You are doing 6days of high intensity cardio and only 3-4 days of weight training. You need to reverse that for long term weight loss management. Building up your lean body mass through weight training is what is going to speed up your metabolism and make managing your weight easier. Muscle burns cals 24/7 so the more muscle you put on the better your metabolism will be. Once you are done with cardio your fat burning is essentially done for the day also. A weight training session will continue to burn cals and accelerate your metabolism for up to 3-4 hours after you stop training. So hit the weights more if you want to be successful with your fat loss and long-term weight management.
Insurance makes finding a new doctor hard...in fact I went through 4 different doctors just to find one that would even START me on the testosterone in the first place even after they ran their own labs and saw how low my numbers were. Each time they doctor would keep referring me to a different doctor, or suggesting tests like shoving a cystoscope into my dick to check for bladder cancer and just completely stupid tests like that. I allowed them to do a CT scan of my abdomen to check for liver disease and everything, and all of the tests came back normal and well within range (even my cholesterol but that's because I take Zetia 10mg ED for high cholesterol). The only other doctor that was willing to give me anything to try and help was an endocrinologist that said that Clomid alone should be able to boost my testosterone from 180 all the way up to 500-600 and we all know that's just a lie. If I had the right financial resources I'd pay out of pocket and go to a "men's clinic" where they would test my T and start me on a proper dosage of T. cyp. as well as HCG but those kinds of doctors that accept insurance are far and few between. I do want to get started on the right foot though, but every time I switch up doctors or get a second opinion I'm dropping $50 each time, and I spent roughly $700 already just finding a doctor that would treat my low T appropriately and let them run any tests or lab work they needed to assess the situation. I even called several of the compounding pharmacies to ask them who was the doctor that prescribes the most testosterone so that I could get an idea as to which doctors I should be looking into, and every time the response I received was "You should talk to your primary care doctor about that see what he has to say first" and followed by just saying whatever I want to hear to get me off of the phone. The endocrinologist that I'm seeing right now is the best that I can possibly do for the time being, but I'm continually asking around to find a doctor who isn't so anal about giving out tiny dosages of testosterone that will have very little difference on my overall T-count.
The two people I know that visit the same doctor had similar T counts as I did, and both of them went from around 200 ng/dl to in the 340 ng/dl mark and the doctor says that he is happy with the results and then leaves them on that dosage. I personally consider 340 ng/dl still to be quite low and unsatisfactory when I'm trying to reach the levels of T that a normal 31 year old man should have on average. I'm not going to have any problems in the weight loss department as I've been steadily losing weight for a while now and told myself that once I reached a certain weight that I would start on testosterone so that I could get enough of a boost of energy that I wouldn't want to just fall out after a 60 minute cardio session like I did before I started on T and I'm getting that result right now but after a month or so of being on T. cyp I still haven't been able to obtain and keep an erection for more than a handful of minutes at the most...and after that my libido is completely gone and doesn't come back. I'm not trying to make excuses just to get a higher dosage of testosterone by any means...if I could get an appropriate level of T prescribed by my actual doctor then I would be more than satisfied and would just put in the hours at the gym that it takes to lose a few more pounds and put on some upper muscle. I'm no stranger to the gym as I've been going at least 5-6 times per week a now for the last 4 years at least now, so I understand that just because I'm now able to get my T up that it's not going to be a magic bullet that sends me on the fast track to being swoll...I don't even want to be super big by any means at all. The only goal is to convert more of my fat weight into muscle weight and have a normal physique as well as have a normal amount of energy and be able to get some wood without having to take some fancy blue pills to make it happen. I'll never be pinning more than 100mg of test C/E per week on my own (unless a doctor prescribes me more) and supplementing it with HCG for the nuts...I've just started seeing someone who I never thought would go after someone like me and I do feel intimidated by the thought of not being able to get a boner at that time you need one the most, but I can already tell I'm going in the right direction in that department. I made the commitment to injecting T once a week for the rest of my life and I've made peace with it, but right now the only option I have of getting the proper lab work and AI prescriptions are to keep the same doctor I have now. It's a shit situation all around, but I'm making lemonade out of lemons for the time being.
Actually, Clomid does and will raise test levels if that is all you are taking. Depending on how low you were to begin with endo's lately have been prescribing it instead of injections or gel. Most of the tests and labs show or showed big results while others had their test levels increased marginally.
I had already tried Clomid from the first endocrinologist when the second one suggested it, and it made me go from a 180 to a 242 and the doctor wanted to raise my Clomid dosage all the way up to 50mg per day. In fact the reason that I switched to the second endo is because the first one wanted to keep me on between 50mg and 100mg of clomiphene ED and when I asked about starting TRT immediately replied "I don't prescribe testosterone period." I think he had a run-in with the DEA at one point or something, because that was the first time I've ever heard a doctor in a non-urgent care setting exclaim that they don't prescribed controlled substances to any one for any circumstance.
RustyhookerDon't tweak it yourself. Get a new Dr and weekly pins.
Go see a new doctor unless when you run your bloods they are in a normal range. For all you know they are. Just because you are on trt from low levels does not mean it magically burns fat and you feel like a million dollars. You also need to change you diet and also your exercise routine. BUT back to the point is see where your levels are before you decide to just self administer.
You seriously need a new doctor. I've never heard of someone getting 100-125mg every two weeks. That's absolutely ridiculous. Do you know what the half-life is for Test C? You're going to constantly be on a roller coaster. my TRT Doctor put me on 200mg per week. Ever other week old be horrible to deal with.
HCG diet is 100% crap and not real at all. It was just another marketing tool to sell people garbage and it worked for a while and then died out. Haven't seen anyone even mention it in years.
Find another doctor.
bigurielTwo weeks is more than enough for any test E/C you injected yourself to be out of your system.
Keep in mind that if you start injecting HCG it will also increase your testoterone levels just like exogenous testosterone would.
That's a good point as well...I didn't plan on starting any HCG for at least 2 or 3 months or so and then I'll pin about 250 IUs 2-3x week, and that's only to make sure that I don't screw myself over with labs and I wouldn't be pinning any HCG at all during the two-week "cool down" period before I have to do labs for the doctor. I'm gonna end up buying smaller amps to mix in bacteriostatic water so that it doesn't lose it's potency since I know when it's refrigerated it lasts for like 30 days at the most before it starts to lose its potency big time. I'll probably look for some 2500 IU amps or around that so that I don't end up wasting much of it when I mix it together. I really need to be careful when I start adding HCG to the mix so that I don't end up getting questioned by my doctor, but also for my own safety since he's one of those doctors that thinks that HCG does nothing to help with the ball-shrinking problem (which I don't understand - I asked him about HCG and he said that he wouldn't prescribe any because it makes no sense just to preserve the size of my nuts).
In an ideal world I'd find a massive 10,000 IU amp for cheaper and then divide it out into four or five "sessions" and mix it into four different bacteriostatic ampules but that would mean that I would have to expose the HCG powder to the air, measure it with a milligram scale, and then store it outside of a sterile environment and I know better than to try that mess since it's an injection and you always want to keep shit simple and sterile as possible. It's better to pay more money for smaller amps that I can keep sterile and mix when needed. The only thing that pisses me off is that bacteriostatic water has to be prescribed here in this country and you can't buy it OTC or from a pharmacy...oh well.
Thanks for reminding me about the HCG my friend.
You HAVE to get a NEW Doctor!!!!!!!!!
Just to mention about the HCG.... You can buy Bacterialistic water anywhere and it's very very cheap. 30ml vial for like $4.00. HCG is very easy to obtain too.
That's definitely the plan, but insurance makes finding a doctor that is covered under my insurance (who prescribes normal doses of T) INSANELY hard to find, I think I have located another endocrinology who accepts my insurance no problem but their waiting list is at least 4+ months just to get in to see the doctor. Since I now already have an endo, actually having to wait isn't that big of a deal and I have enough gear that I cruise at 100mg per week and drop the weekly pin before going to see my current endo so he doesn't think anything is up. From just injecting 100mg weekly I doubt my E2 is going to be off the charts or anything of the sort, but if it is then he'll start me on something like 0.5mg of anastrazole to combat the effects. And 'if' I ever decide that I should start with HCG as well that it can also boost T levels and that it would add to the need for an AI so I would probably start around the 0.25-0.5mg of anastrazole dosage with T alone and then bump it from 0.5mg to 1mg E3D to get my E2 levels down around the acceptable range. I'd feel better about my local doc prescribing the anastrazole because 90 1mg tablets would cost me all of $4 with my insurance versus buying a sachet or pack of 30 for $50 onoine. Letrozole and Anastrozole are some of those drugs that don't really get counterfeited much depending on where you buy them from and would tend to trust those more than gear obviously, but getting it from the local CVS or Walgreens would be far better than buying online.
P.S. I already have the bacteriostatic water in hand that was given to me by someone who purchased a big palate of the stuff online a few months back but gave up on their HCG dieting because they couldn't justify paying that much money in cash just for daily HCG injections. I have 6 bottles of 30ml and 3 10ml bottles from APP Pharmaceuticals with an expiration of early 2018. I'll start shopping for for some Organon or Alpha Pharma HCG once my first order comes in and I run bloods.
Cool man. Sounds like you have a plan. I, myself am also on TRT and have been for about 3 years now. I never went to an Endo but my family dr saw that I had low test 207 and prescribed Test. But I have to admit, I have more knowledge about TRT then he does. He first prescribed me 200mg/every 2 weeks but I told him (after reading up) that every 2weeks was not a good plan because CYP has a half-life of around 14-15 days and my blood levels would be dropping big time by the time of my next dose. But luckily he just writes me a script for 5 refills in a six-month period and I take my vial home with me. After 6 months I call him and he just writes a new script. I personally take 100mg every week and my T levels went from 207 to 980. Now, i know I should really see an Endo but this is working for me.
Sorry for the rambling.
Hell, I ramble more than you do, so trust me I understand. You ended up with a cool doctor that at least knows the proper dose ranges that you should be on. If he prescribed me 200mg every two weeks all I would do is split the dose and pin it every 7 days just to have a steadier dose of T. cyp. and not have to experience the ups and downs of injecting every 14 days. I would KILL for a doctor like that, because my doctor thinks that a 10ml vial of T. cyp. should last me 20 weeks and only gave me ONE refill! That's just enough T to tease my hormones and doesn't do much other than maybe get me into the 300s at the most when I should be around the 500-600 range. My 60 year old father had his bloods drawn a month ago to test his testosterone and at his age he's still sitting on 633 which is right around the mark I should be at for my age. I screwed myself over by my addictive tendencies (I never abused my medication but when it was time to come off of the medications I begged the doctor to not lower my dosage because I couldn't handle the side-effects) and that's when I ended up switching over to Suboxone. I had rather low T while on methadone - I was in the mid 300s before I ever started on any long-acting pain killers, and now that I'm on Suboxone I've tested as low as the 180s which is what's probably causing my low T levels.
I plan to come off of the Suboxone, but not any time real soon. I'm still working with therapists, my addictionologist, and doctors to lower my dose by tiny amounts at a time and not experience the withdrawal symptoms and be able to handle it. I was fortunate that my pain doctor knew exactly what I needed to do and helped me switch to a new doctor who could better help me out and that's why I'm in such a good place now. I even told my addictionologist that I'm taking 100mg of T. cyp. per week and he said that it's definitely going to be a big help with me and that I "don't need to overdo it and put yourself in a situation that you can't get out of" which basically means he knows everything I'm injecting doesn't exactly come from a pharmacy but I'm old enough to understand the risks and I have access to all of the medical doctors that I need if I have any problems and to be as careful as I can.
For a month or two I'm going to be pinning only Oxydine so that I can get some bloods and post them publicly so that people know the gear is good...that's my hope anyway. I don't care if the seller gives me any discounts or any crap like that though. I just hope that I can help inform people about if my order turns out to be legit or if it's bunk. So far though I've heard nothing but good things about Oxydine so I feel confident.