Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
Yes forward then mods should contact those names to be sure emails are not forged. Better forward to me and my professor will contact them and put you in bcc. Agree ? Will be a chat from one professor to another and i will post all results.
But main question still unanswered. Ask them to send you methodology according to international standards
I did suggest not to put names up from the emails, but I also can see Alin's point on that email as well. The guy didn't give much detail but honestly I would have been shocked if he would have.
I have 2 unopened vials of balken Test E i am willing to donate ..... to have the test ran at a independent lab that will tell the truth about the product . i have no dog in this fight all i have is the product that is 6 months old. sombody wanna pay for the test i will send the samples.
Here's a crazy idea. Why doesn't a 3rd partry like a MOD pick the lab. Maybe give whoever a few choices from each person (it would require research) but if both parties agree to it why not do it with total impartiality. Not saying Alin knows someone at this Swiss lab but it doesn't seem entirely impartial if he's picking the lab.
Because us mods are not involved other than keeping the peace. Now if one could prove that a source was making a concerted effort to cheat their customers that would be another matter but that is not what is going on in here.
to answer that i honestly dont know if its same batch or not i can look tonight when i get home and update. i was just curious to see the numbers of these 2 vials that i know have been in my possesion untouched and not tampered with(not saying anyone did anything) i simply offered to donate these vials to see if similar results was reached. i could send one to you and one to switzerland? i dont even run there gear just trying to be helpful thats all
I don't think it matters really. No test will be ok if the sample turns up underdosed again. We as members can't win with this. And I find that extremely sad.
I don't believe that is true nor would I expect such a defeatist attitude from you bro. But you cannot fault a source for vigorously defending himself either. There is no fan boy action going on in here. This is a three person show.
Gotcha. So the blood work.....and this report.....not credible maybe. I dunno. If we sent another sample to the U.S. Lab maybe? It just seems that all is well when the samples test good...bad samples....the test isn't accurate. Maybe we need to stop posting these tests and blood tests. Both are tested similar. Maybe both aren't accurate. Sources can't have one without the other.
I don't know the answers to your questions but just as we accept praise for favorable tests we must be ready to defend a poor one. You had to know this particular source was going to up the irons.
Yup.....I don't use these products....so I never tested em. I never bought into the "GMP" hype. And I'm sure most know....I research. Jello was concerned with the recent blood work for the Test E. So he sent a sample directly to the testing facility to be tested. Pretty simple yet so complicated. =)
There is a laboratory in switzerland let me get address for you. I will pay send them there plus I will send a witness probe just to be sure vials are originals.
Are you saying that it is impossible to get a quantitative analysis with gc/ms? Or is it entirely possible with certain standards and parameters?
Because at first you said gc/ms is worthless and now you are saying there needs to be a standard used for testing. So which do you believe? Would appreciate some clarification thanks ;)
Seems in your head is a total mess. Let me clarify for you.
There are many types of MS not only GS.
MS is used for identification only but you can run it in HPLC mode also (in your analyze is NOT in HPLC mode )
GS is used for identification for volatile substances
TEST ENA will be destroyed before being analyzed on a GS as a quantity but identification is possible. So anyway from all points your analyses is invalid.
Drugs quality is done conform international standards published every year by USPS or EUPharm. Almost always this testing is done with HPLC.
The only steroids that can be tested using a MS is testosterone cypionate (.method published in USPS as a expensive alternative to HPLC and include standards and running MS in HPLC mode )
At the moments does not exists methods for testing steroids ( quality quantity ) with MS besides test cypionate and that method means running MS as a HPLC machine
If you want to come with a good fake you need to be much better than you are. With all respect Angus was much smarter and failed
i am not a expert but your analyze will have a expert review tommorow and then I will have a good laugh
You didn't clarify anything, nor did you answer my simple questions. I'm asking for a reason so I can prove whether or not this test is valid. If you can answer my questions please do so in english so I can understand them thanks.
Please do not bring other sources labs as arguments. Please keep your arguments legit and according to chemist analyst standards.
All legit labs are doing analyzes according to USPS/EuPharm methodology. Please show me where USPS/EuPharm reccomend as methodology MS or GSMS for test ena
I'm neither. What's funny is you won't question blood work by LC/MS/MS.....but testing the actual product LC/MS/MS isn't accurate when it tests subpar.
You can't approve one without the other. It's either both or the blood work is now null n void. See what I'm getting at?
It's getting really annoying. A couple of years ago, when someone complained, they were chewed up by fan boys. Then, came blood tests. Shortly, that method was negated and once again, whoever benefits from negating the results found loopholes to shut down complaints. And, then came mass spec and purity reports which I'm willing to bet that 95% of peeps 'yours truly included' have little to no idea how it all really works.
Any ideas? Those in charge, how about making a sticky in which the testing methods are explained in the absolute easiest terms. And, which methods are considered to be acceptable among sources and whoever conducts these tests.
You are the guy who wanted 50% for all products like other source was giving you ? Once I refused you were kind of acting strange against me. Maybe I am wrong but i doubt.. i will look for pm\emails once I get to laptop..i am on phone
Really? That's what you concluded from this post? All I wanted to say is that to settle everything, the forum is better off making a sticky post to explain the process to everyone. How have I acted strange towards you?
Also, does the ester weight matter when testing actual content? Does it work like this: 250*70%(subtracting ester weight)/100 = 175 mg of actual hormone.
I look from my phone and I am not a expert but I will have a expert looking on them.tommorow
On first link those are blood tests. Where you see wrote that bloods were done by MS ?
On the second link at methodology i see listed all kind of machines including HPLC . Thats kind of weird honestly but is something posted by a source. Please post official informations as a comparation.
I don't post the entire Assay Result for obvious reasons but it is signed by the testing lab scientist. All this can be provided to a MOD. No photoshop here buddy
I asked the same question initially because that would certainly explain the lower concentration. But another source came on and said the test results read "testosterone enanthate 162.9 mg/ml" so it looks like the ester weight IS included in their test results. Otherwise it would say "`162.9 mg/ml testosterone"...without the enanthate. Stil....no one seems to know. A phone call to the lab would clear that and most of this up pretty easily I would think.
For what it's worth...the insults this source is throwing around are inappropriate and childish. I can't believe these are grown men trying to have a debate. Jello and Hail, props to you guys. I don't know you from Jesus but I hope for your guys sake this test is legit. If someone called me retarded, a liar, and questioned my integrity then there would be more than words flying. I don't know jack shit about this testing business but I do know one thing. If this test came back as "250 mg test enth" the source would be on here praising you and thanking you for posting. Note to Alin....keep the insults on the playground where they belong. We are grown men for chrissakes.
I second that and would add that Alin should be clean on what he thinks should be the standard and back it up, as opposed to his tactic of belittling anyone who posts anything negative.
Eroids is about posting results and letting the members debate it in a respectful manner. We're here to learn, not to be bullied or demeaned.
This should be a positive thread, not the crap-fest it's turned into thanks to an angry source. Fix it!
.
Please send me contacts of professors you talked with them so my professor will discuss with them. I can find them on internet contact them point this threads and ask them about their answers but is better to have direct your emails with them to be able to understand faster
Yes forward then mods should contact those names to be sure emails are not forged. Better forward to me and my professor will contact them and put you in bcc. Agree ? Will be a chat from one professor to another and i will post all results.
But main question still unanswered. Ask them to send you methodology according to international standards
I did suggest not to put names up from the emails, but I also can see Alin's point on that email as well. The guy didn't give much detail but honestly I would have been shocked if he would have.
I have 2 unopened vials of balken Test E i am willing to donate ..... to have the test ran at a independent lab that will tell the truth about the product . i have no dog in this fight all i have is the product that is 6 months old. sombody wanna pay for the test i will send the samples.
rocketballzHere's a crazy idea. Why doesn't a 3rd partry like a MOD pick the lab. Maybe give whoever a few choices from each person (it would require research) but if both parties agree to it why not do it with total impartiality. Not saying Alin knows someone at this Swiss lab but it doesn't seem entirely impartial if he's picking the lab.
Because us mods are not involved other than keeping the peace. Now if one could prove that a source was making a concerted effort to cheat their customers that would be another matter but that is not what is going on in here.
rocketballzI hear you man. The anonymity of the internet makes trust a real issue.
seems like a good idea
6 months old? Same batch as the one tested?
to answer that i honestly dont know if its same batch or not i can look tonight when i get home and update. i was just curious to see the numbers of these 2 vials that i know have been in my possesion untouched and not tampered with(not saying anyone did anything) i simply offered to donate these vials to see if similar results was reached. i could send one to you and one to switzerland? i dont even run there gear just trying to be helpful thats all
I don't think it matters really. No test will be ok if the sample turns up underdosed again. We as members can't win with this. And I find that extremely sad.
I don't believe that is true nor would I expect such a defeatist attitude from you bro. But you cannot fault a source for vigorously defending himself either. There is no fan boy action going on in here. This is a three person show.
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Gotcha. So the blood work.....and this report.....not credible maybe. I dunno. If we sent another sample to the U.S. Lab maybe? It just seems that all is well when the samples test good...bad samples....the test isn't accurate. Maybe we need to stop posting these tests and blood tests. Both are tested similar. Maybe both aren't accurate. Sources can't have one without the other.
I don't know the answers to your questions but just as we accept praise for favorable tests we must be ready to defend a poor one. You had to know this particular source was going to up the irons.
Yup.....I don't use these products....so I never tested em. I never bought into the "GMP" hype. And I'm sure most know....I research. Jello was concerned with the recent blood work for the Test E. So he sent a sample directly to the testing facility to be tested. Pretty simple yet so complicated. =)
Great ideal gym
There is a laboratory in switzerland let me get address for you. I will pay send them there plus I will send a witness probe just to be sure vials are originals.
deal
Tommorow I get to laptop and post their details. They accept for testing steroids and they do testing according to international standards with HPLC
ok
AnonA question I have for ashop:
Are you saying that it is impossible to get a quantitative analysis with gc/ms? Or is it entirely possible with certain standards and parameters?
Because at first you said gc/ms is worthless and now you are saying there needs to be a standard used for testing. So which do you believe? Would appreciate some clarification thanks ;)
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkSeems in your head is a total mess. Let me clarify for you.
There are many types of MS not only GS.
MS is used for identification only but you can run it in HPLC mode also (in your analyze is NOT in HPLC mode )
GS is used for identification for volatile substances
TEST ENA will be destroyed before being analyzed on a GS as a quantity but identification is possible. So anyway from all points your analyses is invalid.
Drugs quality is done conform international standards published every year by USPS or EUPharm. Almost always this testing is done with HPLC.
The only steroids that can be tested using a MS is testosterone cypionate (.method published in USPS as a expensive alternative to HPLC and include standards and running MS in HPLC mode )
At the moments does not exists methods for testing steroids ( quality quantity ) with MS besides test cypionate and that method means running MS as a HPLC machine
If you want to come with a good fake you need to be much better than you are. With all respect Angus was much smarter and failed
i am not a expert but your analyze will have a expert review tommorow and then I will have a good laugh
AnonYou didn't clarify anything, nor did you answer my simple questions. I'm asking for a reason so I can prove whether or not this test is valid. If you can answer my questions please do so in english so I can understand them thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAre you serious ?
AnonSometimes...so hplc is the only method to quantify test E?
Another serious question, do you think Balkan would pass for a legit pharmaceutical company in the US?
GC/MS Example:
https://www.eroids.com/pics/swole-25mg-proviron-mesterolone
Lab has a Pharmacy/DEA License
Please do not bring other sources labs as arguments. Please keep your arguments legit and according to chemist analyst standards.
All legit labs are doing analyzes according to USPS/EuPharm methodology. Please show me where USPS/EuPharm reccomend as methodology MS or GSMS for test ena
These results will hold up in a U.S. court of law. Seems relevant.
Aha so now from chemist you become a lawyer .....
I'm neither. What's funny is you won't question blood work by LC/MS/MS.....but testing the actual product LC/MS/MS isn't accurate when it tests subpar.
You can't approve one without the other. It's either both or the blood work is now null n void. See what I'm getting at?
MeinuntergangIt's getting really annoying. A couple of years ago, when someone complained, they were chewed up by fan boys. Then, came blood tests. Shortly, that method was negated and once again, whoever benefits from negating the results found loopholes to shut down complaints. And, then came mass spec and purity reports which I'm willing to bet that 95% of peeps 'yours truly included' have little to no idea how it all really works.
Any ideas? Those in charge, how about making a sticky in which the testing methods are explained in the absolute easiest terms. And, which methods are considered to be acceptable among sources and whoever conducts these tests.
+1 Jello.
You are the guy who wanted 50% for all products like other source was giving you ? Once I refused you were kind of acting strange against me. Maybe I am wrong but i doubt.. i will look for pm\emails once I get to laptop..i am on phone
MeinuntergangReally? That's what you concluded from this post? All I wanted to say is that to settle everything, the forum is better off making a sticky post to explain the process to everyone. How have I acted strange towards you?
Since I refused your 50% discount, you were always there when was something negative. I am not a idiot thats all
AnonThanks man, just trying to get honest answers. If Im wrong then I will own it, but I havent come to that conclusion yet.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkMeinuntergangAlso, does the ester weight matter when testing actual content? Does it work like this: 250*70%(subtracting ester weight)/100 = 175 mg of actual hormone.
Concentration of Test E mg/mL. Same as blood work showing concentration of testosterone present ug/mL.
Hope I understood wrong...where you had blood work done with MS ? Maybe at WADA laboratory only and they do just identification
LC/MS/MS
Example: (Sources are ok with this testing) ng/mL
https://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/9256/MP%20LAB.jpg
Example: (DEA Licensed Lab) mg/mL
https://www.eroids.com/pics/sigma-nandro-deca-300tren-enan-200
I look from my phone and I am not a expert but I will have a expert looking on them.tommorow
On first link those are blood tests. Where you see wrote that bloods were done by MS ?
On the second link at methodology i see listed all kind of machines including HPLC . Thats kind of weird honestly but is something posted by a source. Please post official informations as a comparation.
The blood work states it was tested by LC/MS/MS
The second test is by a US lab
I don't post the entire Assay Result for obvious reasons but it is signed by the testing lab scientist. All this can be provided to a MOD. No photoshop here buddy
rocketballzI asked the same question initially because that would certainly explain the lower concentration. But another source came on and said the test results read "testosterone enanthate 162.9 mg/ml" so it looks like the ester weight IS included in their test results. Otherwise it would say "`162.9 mg/ml testosterone"...without the enanthate. Stil....no one seems to know. A phone call to the lab would clear that and most of this up pretty easily I would think.
MeinuntergangThanks dude!
AnonWaiting to hear back from the lab but Im fairly certain what you stated is the correct answer.
rocketballzFor what it's worth...the insults this source is throwing around are inappropriate and childish. I can't believe these are grown men trying to have a debate. Jello and Hail, props to you guys. I don't know you from Jesus but I hope for your guys sake this test is legit. If someone called me retarded, a liar, and questioned my integrity then there would be more than words flying. I don't know jack shit about this testing business but I do know one thing. If this test came back as "250 mg test enth" the source would be on here praising you and thanking you for posting. Note to Alin....keep the insults on the playground where they belong. We are grown men for chrissakes.
AnonThanks, we should be able to discuss this like adults. Im here to learn and help, not get into a passing match.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkLots of words without content. Please post your MOA and where you got it ? Show me on USPS or EuPharm a testing method with MS for steroids please
I second that and would add that Alin should be clean on what he thinks should be the standard and back it up, as opposed to his tactic of belittling anyone who posts anything negative.
Eroids is about posting results and letting the members debate it in a respectful manner. We're here to learn, not to be bullied or demeaned.
This should be a positive thread, not the crap-fest it's turned into thanks to an angry source. Fix it!
When someone come with lies and post stupid shit I will call him a liar and a fool because thats fair.
Two guys coming with fake photoshop and want me to kiss their ass ? No way my friend