posted Fri, 02/27/2015 - 20:16
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+ 21 from TRT to natty again?
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I would like to hear from guys that successfully brought themselves back from TRT or continuous years of cycling to natty again.
Anybody on here done it? and what was your PCT protocol?
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Thats fine as long as you don't get all weepy on us LOL. Watch out because it will increase the baby batter. You'll be spraying like a porn star.
I think most of eriods is goin to be watching and hoping. If u do recover and this is successful u need to make a forum step by step and make this a stickie. I think your goin to make it.
Thanks for keeping us posted Noid. This is my favorite thread to follow.
Why as why? A good day is a good thing in an experiment like yours. Celebrate!
Seriously tho, Rolltide answered way better.
I would just like to know so im prepared.
I hear ya brother, that was my feeble attempt at being lighthearted about it. I can imagine this is all very serious for you bro and truthfully it is for many of us watching to see how it works.
it's a great question I have never seen address here might have to do some research and make a forum
Concerning how long HCG stays in your system, finally in case of dosage of HCG for the purpose of losing weight tells a different story. HCG diet is prescribed from 23 to 40 days under the supervision of a physician who is licensed. Under the strict diet regime, medical examination the patient receives the HCG dosage in the form of injections, drops etc. by the end of the 40 day regime it is a must that the intake of HCG is stopped as the system of the patient develops immunity for HCG. After the intake has been stopped it takes around 6 weeks for the body to completely remove the effects of HCG from the system.
http://www.howlongdoes.com/health/how-long-does-hcg-stay-in-your-system/
From this website the other stuff saying a single shot is roughly ten days for women they call it a trigger shot and it's 10,000iu. Can take up to 14 days. I didn't know the answer so I went to read it's a good question. Couldn't find much on males hopefully someone will be able to add more
Im not sure what to say, i know that in the past when I got bunk test it would take about 12 days before i would start to feel the effects enough that I knew I wasnt running test, and pretty rapidly after that it would be couch potato.
16 days in and I feel perfectly fine, other then my balls hanging lower then they have in years I couldnt even tell you i came off TRT. Im still waking up early and going to bed late, still cant sleep in, busted a good nutt yesterday, and this morning rubbing on my wife i had precum on my leg. There is no sides feeling wise that are bothering me.
Thus far the worst part of the entire process has been me projecting how bad it was gonna be....
Middle of week three is when it hits me. But it usually only lasts a week.
Keep the workouts hard and explosive make you body tell your nuts it needs test.
I've found that spacing sets at 90 seconds is a good way to keep the demand up. Run sprints, hit the big lifts like squats, dips, bench etc. work those big muscles. I think you'll be able to do it!
Damn good advice bro.
Good to see you still pushing forwards bro.. So far soo good , but im interested in the long term effects. Factoring in your will power and the things you've over came in the past this might be a walk in the park for you...... A lot of people tend to sike themselves out in the beginning with many things and more often then not they stress themselves out which effects what they are trying to accomplish negatively also. So far soo good bro.
ill keep the thread updated!
That is great to hear but be mindful I never felt too bad while taking the PCT meds it was always after that I felt less than myself. You are doing great tho and the mind still hold the key.
Well it does not appear that I will suffer any problems so long as i continue the PCT. I was able to bust a nutt again this morning and i feel great so i guess itll come down to when i come off. However it will be in stages, first HMG, then HCG, and finally nolva/clomid. Ill post up after each piece leaves the scenario.
Well the hCG and hMG have you nuts awake already. The whole idea of hCG is stimulation to produce testosterone. Stimulation of the leydig cells to produce testosterone. Although we don't have a blood test to prove this your symptoms correlate with tesosterone production.IF you did a blood test right now you would see a rise in testosterone levels. I'm pretty sure you testosterone levels are up. So you you can rule out any problem with your testes. Now it's time for the Next Phase which is the second phase of the HPTA protocol, clomiphene and tamoxifen, the ability of the hypothalamic-pituitary to respond to stimulation by producing LH levels within the normal reference range. With the hCG you were artifically simulating LH production and got a response from the leydig cells. The 2nd phase is to see if the HPTA will produce LH signaling naturally. In this phase estrogen is your enemy as it is the negative feedback that turns LH off. Here we want E2 in the low 20's. This will determine if you have physiological type of secondary hypogonadism which is characterized by abnormal low or low normal LH production in response to Clomid and nolva. This is where it's going to get interesting.
For those who are following this thread but want to know what to look for in the 1st phase and want a better understanding of why the hCG use read this
http://www.drkarlisullis.com/Karlis_Ullis,_M.D./LOW_T_PROTOCOLS_files/LO...
Ill drop both HCG and HMG now and continue on with the clomid and nolva.....If i feel like shit after a while I can always try to kickstart them again with HCG right?
Yes you can. This is the part of PCT where it's not fun. But you have a very good shot of recovery. We now know or at least more certain that your nuts are intact and fuctioning. This is the point where blood testing would be helpful but I understand that's not possible. As E2 is the enemy so is high Testosterone levels from the HCG use as that is the another negative feedback that can turn the GnRH (gonadotropin-releasing hormone) switch off. Just keep that in mind.
Very interested in what he says but this is where aromisin comes in. Stopping hcg. Your goin to have a lot of estrogen.Iv been researching and it's been shown that arimidex is a waste running it with nolvadex bc nolvadex will significantly reduce the blood level of Adex greatly reducing the effectiveness. So even running Adex along with nolva mean your wasting your time and money. I know u hate aromisin but it's a huge plus during pct it also been shown to raise test levels and help free test by lowering sex hormone binding globulin (shbg). Shbg is an enzyme that binds to test and makes it useless. these factors during pct is very beneficial and i would love to hear mega thoughts on this. It's one of the biggest shame mega not got a pro tag. Btw glad it's goin great for u
ill take a look and see if I still got some aro, if so ill give it a shot.
Rolltide is correct in that E2 will elevate from the hcg and hmg. So you do need an AI. Adex is fine during cycle but when your in PCT I think Aro is a better choice as you don't get that rebound effect. Rolltide has already mentioned a few other reasons why it's a better choice.
Keep in mind when your in PCT you cannot let E2 run like you do on cycle. I have noticed when I PCT and my E2 is in the low 30's my testosterone number is lower (upper400's- upper500's) but with just a 10 point drop(lower 20's) my natural T levels are in the upper 600's- low700's. That showed me what an effect E2 has on my system. It also made me think that is why some are having problems with PCT and recovery.
I checked and dont have aro, so ill run the dex at .5 EOD, gonna have to work for now.
You know what to look out for. You want to balace E2 to T levels meaning not to high and not to low.If you could blood test I would tell you 20-30pg/ml is the spot. For me it's more like 20. For you it's anywhere between those numbers.
Where does .5 EOD normally put you?
Worse comes to worse, I know guys get down on the research liquids but honestly I had pretty good luck with them. I was probably overdosing with them all the time but I never had any trouble until I switched to orals. Truth.
Thanks for your insight
I've been doin some reading on this since u posted this forum. I wanted this throw this up just so we can pick mega mind and of course if it can be a benefit to u. I hope u total success and happy Easter to u and your loved ones
Right on, you know I am keenly interested on how it turns out.
Mr mod sir what's it goin to take for mega to get a pro tag. He's very deserving imo and he's such an assets for eriods
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You know, I would be all for it. If he wants it I will put it up for consideration.
He deserves it and he needs a tag that fits his knowledge
yea that's how It is imo , but everyones different.
alright boys, taking myself into deep water 14 days today. So far still feel OK but I can tell the testosterone is almost gone. Sense of well being is still OK, no sex drive, got a bunch of shit that could lead to depression going on right now so just keeping that at the forefront so I dont fall into it. Cut back my diet, big time! im down 10 pounds.
Stay busy, stay focused. The last time I PCT'd I took a quarter of a viagra ED and it seemed to help a little with my state of mind.
10 days since last pin, feeling fine still. hiked 3 miles up a mountain today. another ten days will give me an idea how bad this is gonna be.
Dude I think I saw you hiking up a mountain. That's cool and all bro but you really need to put some clothes on.
Umm, that was me..
Anonwill be following this, good luck, keep us updated.
took my last TRT pin tuesday, I got about 10 days before the drop in test starts effecting me. starting the HMG and HCG tonight. Ill make a post in the TRT section and link it to this page for all that want to listen to me cry in a few weeks.
Good luck! You starting DAA too? The Ronnie Coleman one I've been taking is kinda nice.
HMG 75iu/EOD 1-32 days (all I got)
HCG 1000iu/ED 1-50 days (all I got)
Clomid 100/100/100/100/50/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20
adex .25 EOD
whats DDA?
StevebD-Aspartic Acid
Isn't that too much? 250iu/ed is what I have seen used.
It might be, if I run into problems I'll cut it back.
Best of luck. Don't start watching Lifetime.
Good luck brother. We are all hoping for the best.
Update?
Pretty soon, don't worry I'll be sniveling soon enough
Hitman187I think you are rite bro. Ive gone thru getting clean several times off heroin and subs and you definetely feel a huge increase in libido a week or two into being off.
Hmm ghats good to know. I'm hoping to have the same success when I come off an I truly believe i will bounce back. Steroid user or not it shouldn't be all thay much different, in short shut down is shutdown. But I won't say that as fact as we know 19s shut us down harder. So maybe my next post and reseach will be in why it's harder to recover from 19s. But still I believe I will bounce back
To new beginnings Roid Noid. I wish you a smooth recovery big man.