posted Fri, 02/27/2015 - 20:16
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+ 21 from TRT to natty again?
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I would like to hear from guys that successfully brought themselves back from TRT or continuous years of cycling to natty again.
Anybody on here done it? and what was your PCT protocol?
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Thank you, Im not holding my breath to anything going smooth in this recovery! lol
I guess you can't be let down if you keep your expectations low lol. I'm sure you'll give it a good run noid . I wish you the best bro. If you need Kleenex or manpons I'll send em your way :).
I have no personal experience with this, but I can tell you what my doctor said. I'm on trt due to a medication that lowers test levels significantly ( suboxone) and I'm pretty damn sure my test levels were in the shitter anyways from the years of drug use. But my doc seems to think we can keep me on trt until I come off the subs and then drop the test and I will bounce back. Now we all know doctors don't really know it all. But with the large assortment of drugs at our disposal I think it's possivle. Clomid nolva aromasin torem hcg hmg and then triptorlin. I may take some time and patience and a few different reboot protocols but I think it can be done. I recently helped someone else do this so pm me if you want the protocols I used with him
My dr. Has me on trt for the same reason I am 28 and am surprised to find someone else my age with a dr that is as forward thinking as well. I used to feel like utter shit no energy no sex drive. He doesn't have a clue what he is doing as far as prescribing and has me on 400mg a week. Not a typo with no ai. So im on my own there but I have lots of pharma test for future cycles.
Ya I got blessed to find her she's the best. She doesn't know anything about trt either I had to tell her what to prescribe me, what ai dose, why I need hcg etc. she just listens to me. But she's open minded and she knows she doesn't know it all. I love this last she's the coolest. She knows I use growth and stuff also.
Im very happy with mine for the most part been seing him and his with who run a small practice together for four years and have been on trt for almost 3. I can be 100% honest with him Hes closing his practice in a few months, And I am stressed at the rhought of finding another doc.
Hitman187Least your dr. Is honest with you, my dr. Tried telling me that suboxone has no effect on test levels. I knew hes either full of shit or miss informed because of the way I felt before subs compared to on.
Ya she was very honest about all the sides from the drug. Really got blessed with this doctor she's the best.
im sure with a experienced endocrinologist it could be done in many cases.
StevebThis is the only thing natural product that has raised my test levels. If you're going to be natty this will be your best bet.
http://www.amazon.com/Androtrex%C2%AE-Global-Healing-Center-2oz/dp/B00GV...
Noid, I think you should go for it bro. Give it a good six months before throwing in the towel.
I think you will be able to do it.
im gonna give it a shot, thats for sure, should be in the next month.
Awesome. I think there are probably a lot of guys in your situation that would love to go back to natty.
There are even guys like me that just went TRT but would love to know that we can get out in the future without turning into a fat, sexless, turnip..
Aint that the truth! It seems that every youngster (and many oldsters), think that TRT is glorious and beautiful. What could be wrong with being "on" all the time. The reality is far different....
I've gone to test-u, which is far fewer pinning's which has helped, but I long for a day where I could be back to normal again... I guess we can dream.
And people also think that trt means you don't lose any gains in betwen cycles. Sorry but that's not the case. Trt brings you to natural levels, assuming you're doijg it right. So the only difference is on trt you avoid that 1-4 week period with very low test levels during pct. if you don't keep training and diet up on trt betwen cycles you will still lose what you gained.
It is truly a double edged sword. I probably did not stretch out the time between my cycles as far as I should have. That lead to my natty test not recovering worth a damn. But the other issue for me with PCT is the whipsaw on your body and mind just isn't good for you at this age. I think in our forty's it comes down to basically all or nothing. Of course all of us are slightly different and some guys are just genetic freaks that can bounce right back over and over. I found out I am not one of them. I admit I feel sooo much better on just a trt dose of cyp but in the back of my head that question of how I will feel in the future always begs..
It is a hard decision either way. My cause is partially genetic and also aas use at a young age and not pct (no one ever talked about pct back when I was young).
I feel so much better on TRT, but all the pinning gets very old and having to deal with travel and the like as well. I guess we have to take the good with the bad, but it sure would be nice to not have worry about it.
i wanna say something, when i was in pct taking pharma grade clomid,nolva,daa.
In the end of first week my balls started to hurt, why is that over stimulation or what...
What were you levels 4 yrs ago natural?
before cycle i dont know, but everything was working great. after a cycle of deca and tren I went off and 2 months later had a 136...bad protocol on the whole thing, no labs prior, ran deca to long then went into cut with tren and finished with only half PCT in hand.
I guess it is good to have an exit strategy.....but why go off TRT in the first place? The only reason I would go off is out of necessity..
because it sucks! I hate TRT its nothing compared to how I used to be. especially sex drive.
You should look into GnRH agonist such as Triptorelin. Its the only thing that actually directly stimulates LH and FSH production. Here are a couple of studies on it:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3739368/
http://www.ergo-log.com/triptorelin.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20416868/
What the drug is actually designed for is prostate cancer. Why you ask? Well it is so powerful it can actually cause the pituitary gland to "dump" all of its LH and FSH to the point that it induces hypogonadism. Now the doses given to cause hypogonadism are a lot higher then the typical 100mcg, but it shows how powerful the peptide is. I currently have 2 vials of the stuff in my freezer just incase I need it.
read about it a few years ago, looked around for anybody that it worked for at that time and pretty sure I didnt see any. Generally I will do research on something and not remember the research but what I thought about the idea, and my conclusion to reading all about it was that it was bullshit. Or at the very least that i have no interest in it.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/triptorelin
this is from 2 years ago when I first heard about it.
BB used it before it seems. He replies to a post a while back.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/triptorelin-...
There are 3 different methods I have seen when people have used it. One is a pre PCT booster, second is just a stand alone PCT and third is a post PCT booster.
I wish there was more user experience but it seems to be a compound people just have no faith in or are unaware of and never use it. But I keep it in my stash just in case I might need it. Its pretty cheap and the worst thing that would happen is it just did nothing. Assuming of course what I purchased is actual Trip and dosed correctly.
If we had some people that could vouch for it I would consider it, its been around plenty long enough for sucess stories to be abound and they are just not there.
StevebMuta posted a lot of positive stuff about GNRH but all that is gone now. I do believe it helped me recover a lot better from a Deca cycle.
No real data to make a decision on. The science behind it is unconvincing at best.
I distinctly remember that triptorellin also had the possibility of chemical castration. Fuck that, no matter how low the odds that scared me off.
StevebThat is only if you take way too much of it, you only take 100mcg. I have taken it twice and I am fine.
Yea that's its primary use. Typically dosed at 4mg multiple times to castrate a prostate cancer patient to stop testosterone production in hopes to slow/stop cancer growth. I would only take as a last ditch effort to prevent TRT.
So this is my PCT protocol at this point
HMG 75iu/EOD 1-40 days
HCG 1000iu/ED 1-50 days
Clomid 100/100/100/50/50/50/50/50
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20/20/20
adex .25 EOD
I think that is pretty aggressive, but its been 4 years, so well see if anything comes back. anybody got anything else to add? I will post up when I start this. thanks for feedback thus far.
AnonWhen you get to your last ten days of adex add aromasin at 12.5 every 12 hours for 5 days then 12.5eod for 5 days so the aromasin goes beyond your aro goes for 5 days after your adex Is finished. Drop a week off your clomid and run your nolva for at least 7 days beyond everything. By doing this you will halt the rebound from the adex. I dont know how well you tolerate clomid but if you chose to drop the week of clomid at the end you could run it at 150 in the first week. You have the best available power pct available. You might feel like shit but chances are you will go well. I personally know 3 people who have used almost identical and bounced back after more than 5 years of heavy abuse and im talking shit pot cycles of deca multiple orals and tren, also in their times of abuse they ran out of gear a few times and were running on nothing for a few months at a time walking round with no nuts and not getting hard ons.One of the guys has had two kids since power pct and has remained at base line levels. He hasnt taken gear since but changed up his lifestyle and diet. Look into some good otc test boosters and smash them for a good 6 months alongside everything. Joints can becomevan issue during protocol aswell so be aware of that. Good luck buddy and I wish you the best
I was thinking about doing something like that towards the end. But that sounds pretty good actually....
AnonPrime male is the otc test booster you want. You could have an extra scoop off daa on top aswell. As for joints normal otc supps but add a quarter cup of olive oil into your diet. Coq10 is a good addition in this run too. If you can get prescription liver meds I would be good but liv52 with silybum everyday will work well. Extra water to flush those kidneys. Id get bloods a couple of times just to check lipids and vitals so you dont have to dig up after your better. Good luck my friend. Thanks
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkBe careful with the HCG for that long. It will also convert to estro and while your running an AI and Serms it could rebound.
even with adex alongside it? if I have a estro problem can't I just up my dex dose?
Yes you can. I was just making you aware that HCG also converts once you get past a certain point. I have never taken more than 2500 IU's every other day for more than 16 days so I do not have the personal experience to say at what point is too much.
I dont have much of an idea either, im sure just like with many cycles and compounds I have used ill adjust along the way to control it. I keep you posted once I get going with this.
MightyMatt812Why not do aromasin instead it will kill estro don't have to worry bout rebound
RustyhookerIt would seem that adex past the pct as needed would be fine. Estro conversion will slow and removed from body. If estro had an indefinite life then surely a suicide inhibitor would be more beneficial.
I like aro but if you dump your estro the joints get poppy. If you're simply coming off trt doses you shouldn't be full of estro conversion anyways.
Good luck! Wish I had more skills on this one. Might read med posts on horney goat weed.
Half Life of estro is short. But as mentioned below, build up from big cycles would come into play.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9473164
Thanks. I would like to track your progress on this venture. Best of luck!
If you're going to bounce back, that's going to give you a good shot at it. Interested to see how it pans out for you.
Adex can be taken instead of aromasin for pct? Did not know that, good luck with your recovery sir.
well what is the difference between adex, aromasin and letro?
Don't use adex during pct. It has an estrogen rebound when u stop taking it. That's why guys use an suicidal ai like aro. Even dr scally used aromisin bc it has no estrogen rebound
so if I ran adex well after i stopped HCG you still think itll rebound? I have a fair amount of dex and only a little mason, I tried mason years ago and it made me feel like shit so I never picked up anymore.
U will have estrogen rebound when u stop adex. It can ruin all the effort u put Into a pct. Unfortunately u need aromisin for pct. U are goin to face a very hard pct and I'd hate to see u put all this time and effort just to fail at the end bc u stop taking adex. It's very very counterproductive. Basically your aromisin won't unbond from estrogen and Adex will after u stop using it. This way your Clomid and nova can go to producing lh in your testes and pituitary. If u have a bunch of estrogen from an estrogen rebound then your Clomid and nova loses most of its effectiveness