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These are some of my notes that I have put together in researching various compounds. The intent here is to give a dosage guideline for someone looking to incorporate a new compound into their stack. NO ONE SHOULD BE STACKING COMPOUNDS UNTIL THEY HAVE A THOROUGH UNDSTANDING OF HOW A TEST ONLY CYCLE AFFECTS THEM. So these recommendations are NOT for someone looking to do their first cycle but for users who are now past that and looking for something new to add. (End of disclaimer).

I have not used all of these compounds myself yet, but when I get to the point of incorporating them into a new stack, these are the dosages I am going to start with. These are starting doses and I am a proponent of starting with the minimum effective dose and adjusting upwards if need be. So these are starting points. If I have said anything that is way off base with these compounds let me know and I will edit. I am still learning too but from what I have gathered through my research this is the best I could come up with. Not going to deal with tren, so that is why it is missing in this discussion if you were wondering.

Orals

*(Pre-load your liver supps 2 wks before and for an additional 2 wks after taking.)

Proviron

50mg/day split AM/PM Take throughout entire cycle except PCT.
Binds strongly to SHBG to help increase the amount of free testosterone in your body. Should be incorporated into every cycle because of this, especially with a cycle base that consists of a lower testosterone dose. Makes the test that you are taking more effective. Also has some slight AI properties but not enough to be used as the only AI during a cycle for most people. Great compound for TRT patients to take year round @25mg/day.

Dianabol

40mg/day 4 wk maximum duration
High aromatization rate. Not recommended to include in a first cycle since the high aromatization rate may make adjustments of AI somewhat tricky. Best to determine how susceptible you are to aromatization with a basic test e cycle first and once you know your optimum AI dosage you can add it into a later cycle.

Anadrol

50mg/d. If that is tolerated well you may want to bump it up to 100mg/d. The sides seem to outweigh the benefits once one goes above 100mg/d.
Anadrol is most efficient if pulsed. 2wks on 2 wks off. Could be ran for an entire 12 wk cycle when pulsed in this fashion. As always monitor sides and discontinue use or decrease dose if ran for entire cycle duration.

Turinabol (the gentle Dbol)

50mg/day 6wk maximum duration
If looking to incorporate an oral into your first cycle this may be a good choice. Does not aromatize so one does not have to be concerned about aromatization side effects. Also has SHBG lowering properties similiar to proviron.

Anavar

75mg/day 8wk duration
Really only suited for cutting cycles and best used at the end of cycle when BF levels are low. May help promote lipolysis.

Winstrol

50mg/day 6wk duration
Winstrol is pretty much a “one-trick pony” and that is for cutting. Winstrol also helps to lower SHBG which well help to make your testosterone “more effective”. Drying out of joints seems to be a common side effect.

Oral Primobolan

100mg/day 8wk duration
Oral primo is not methylated and therefore would be less stressful on the liver.

Halotestin

Not for “recreational” users. Best used for contest prep or if a significant boost in strength/aggression is needed before a powerlifting meet.
Very powerful compound and highly toxic. Due to the extreme toxicity of this compound, its duration of use should only be up to a maximum of 3 weeks.
5-10mg to start out with to see if you can tolerate sides
20mg/d is often the max amount needed to elicit effects for bodybuilding purposes.

Methyl-tren

Not for “recreational” users. Best used for contest prep or if a significant boost in strength/aggression is needed before a powerlifting meet.
Very powerful compound and highly toxic. Due to the extreme toxicity of this compound, its duration of use should only be up to a maximum of 3 weeks. This compound will likely adversely affect your lipid values no matter what you are using for liver protection
500-750mcg is often all that is needed

Superdrol

20mg 4wks max
Not recommended for recreational users. Highly toxic. Can be used during a cut or bulk depending on diet.

Injectables – (test should be the base of all cycles)

Testosterone (Enanthate/cypionate)

Basic beginner cycle typically consists of 500mg/wk for 12wks. Even though it is longer ester it is best to pin it 2x weekly (Mon/Thurs) to maintain more stable blood levels.

Testosteron Propionate (Test p)

100-150mg EOD 8wk cycle (If going longer than 8 wks it may be more practical to switch over to a longer ester to minimize the amount of pinning) Beware of post injection pain (pip).
Shorter ester. Should be pinned at least every other day (EOD) to maintain stable blood levels. Good to use for kickstarting a cycle or finishing off a cycle to enter into PCT quicker than with test E/C.

Testosterone Phenylpropionate (TPP)

Can be used in place of test P if pip is problem.

Equipose (EQ)

600mg/wk 16 wk cycle
The longer EQ can be ran the better. 24 wk cycle would be ideal but only recommended for those on TRT (unless you want to end up on TRT for trying to run a cycle for this long).
Can help boost appetite. Increases RBC more dramatically than other AAS. Good practice is to donate blood during an EQ cycle to help keep hematocrit and RBC at healthy levels.

1-testosterone Cypionate (aka dihydroboldenone – DHB)

500mg/wk 12 wks minimum
Trenbolone without the side effects. Very versatile compound. Can be used for cutting or bulking.

Primobolan (Enanthate)

800mg/wk 16 wk duration
The “Cadillac” of cutters. The longer it can be ran the better.

Masteron (Enanthate)

400mg/wk 12wk duration
Effects are best seen on a cutting cycle with lower bodyfat. Can also be useful to incorporate into a bulker for estrogen control. Beware of crashing estro with low dose test cycles.

Masteron (propionate)

100mgs EOD

Deca Durabolin

400 mg/wk 12 wk min duration
Deca is very suppressive and my make for a more difficult recovery during PCT. Helps with joint lubrication. Good mass builder. Deca is 19-nor so one should have prolactin control on hand. To help avoid “Deca-dick” the test:deca should be at least 1.5:1.

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (NPP)

100mg EOD 8 wk cycle
Faster acting Deca. Anecdotal reports that users of NPP retain less water than Deca. Can be used during cut or bulk. Just like Deca, initial runs should keep test higher or at least equal to help prevent libido problems.

SARMS

Potential benefits

  1. No need for a PCT if doses and cycle lengths are kept reasonable
  2. High oral bioavailabilty but they are not toxic to the liver like most oral AAS
  3. Even low doses show anabolic responses
  4. Great for strength, gaining lean mass, and increasing endurance

I feel they are a great bridge between cycles to help maintain gains, build some additional mass and strip off some of the fat you may have gained during your cycle. Just like your AAS cycle, your diet will dictate whether your SARMS cycle is a mass gainer, recomp or cutter.
Can help with the “PCT blues”. I always seemed to feel much more upbeat and energetic while cycling them.

S4 – Andarine

50mg/day for 6-8 weeks if cutting. 4-6 hour half-life so split doses throughout the day.
Up to 75mg/day if going for a recomp. Best to slowly increase dose to see if vision side effects will occur. 5 on 2 off protocol if vision side effects occur.

S4 has the potential to be the most suppressive of the SARMS. Be aware that slight suppression may occur if ran at doses greater than 50mg/d for more than 4wks at time and will likely require some type of mini-PCT if doing so with some test boosters or something similar.

Good cutter (fat burner), not so much a mass builder but will help to maintain gains. Great for strength, hardness and vascularity. Can cause vision to have a yellow tint and make it real hard to drive at night. I actually experienced these vision effects so the recommendation if they occur is to go to a 5 on 2 off dosing protocol. This got rid of the vision side effects for me and still allowed me to reap the benefits of the S4.

Ostarine (MK 2866)

Men – up to 25mg/d
Women – up to 12.5mg/d
If cycles are done in 4 week bursts and doses don’t exceed 25mg/d, there should be no suppression. Longer durations may require some type of OTC mini-PCT.

Good strength and lean mass builder.

GW 501516

10-20mg/day split AM/PM for up to 12 weeks

Great endurance booster and fat burner.

Final thoughts on SARMS

I am up in the air on whether or not they are a good thing during PCT. They have the potential to cause slight suppression if dosed higher and taken for extended periods so if one is going to use them during PCT I would keep the dosing on the lower end and probably only use Ostarine or GW 501516 and not stack them.

Best time to run them in my opinion is between cycles and run them as a stack. By running an 8-12 week SARM cycle between your normal cycle you get to keep that “on” feeling and will be making more progress whether cutting or bulking than if you weren’t taking them. Just stack them at the above suggested doses for 8-12 weeks and then take a 3 week mini-PCT with some OTC test boosters and you should be good to go. Good way to pass the time between cycles.

Aromatase Inhibitors

The two most common aromatase inhibitors (AI) used while on cycle are aromasin and arimidex. To dial in your AI dose you should get bloodwork taken after the AAS you are using have reached peak steady state serum levels and you have been on your current AI for at least one or two weeks. This way you will know whether to dial the AI up or down a bit.

Aromasin

Typical dose for a moderate test cycle (500mg/wk) to control estrogen is 12.5mg ED. I have taken it at 25mg EOD and noticed it to be just as effective. Aromasin is a Type-1 (suicidal) inhibitor. You will not have any estrogen rebound from it. Many times it is ran during PCT at half of normal dose to help prevent this potential for estrogen rebound.
It will increase IGF-1 levels also.

Arimidex

Typical starting dose for a moderate test cycle (500mg/wk) is 0.25mg E3D.
Type II (reversible) AI. May experience rebound when quitting it, especially during high dosed test cycles.

DrManhattan's picture

Id also add that oral tren should never be used by someone with one test cycle under their belt. Most advanced users won't even touch that stuff. Metribolone (oral tren) can send you to the hospital pretty quick if not careful.

DrManhattan's picture

Great post. Id say 30mg of both dbol and winny would be acceptable for newb users though. Id also recommend at least a small pct for both S4 and LGD. LGD can be as suppressive as some AAS.

Tjoe1's picture

excellent info boss!

Justanotherguy's picture

Every now and then you find a real gem. Awesome article. +1

Banana Ben's picture

Masteron is a steroid, do searches on it there is lots of info around

finafan's picture

nice post!

sic26's picture

Post great makwa like always info man your new name should be knowledge thank you

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cybrsage's picture

WOW! I Love this post. Thank you VERY much for it. I like that it covers so much.

305red's picture

PLUS 1 for the info very informative base thanks

Whitetrash's picture

Awesome post brother

pearce26's picture

Best post Thanks. Put straight in my favourites

irongame427's picture

Pretty much spot on. Great post. Only thing I disagree with is the anavar dose. These 75-100mg ed dosing advice reflects the shit var that dominates the market. With the real deal 40-50mg ed is all that's needed.

Loco-T's picture

Great read brother, you could improve the list by alot if you added the half life for the unexperienced to get to know the compounds and how to incorporate the certain esters into their cycle! Just my 2 cents.

Makwa's picture

I could see how that would be useful. I'll look into it.

BeastMode5085's picture

Dood, you should put in that the oral dose you suggest is a MAX. 1000mcg of Oral Tren, 20mg of Halo, 20mg Sdrol?!?!?! I am pretty good with orals and have only had one issue with orals and my liver... Oral Tren at 500mcg per day for me sent my liver values over 111! My normal range is 40-50. I couldnt imagine what taking 1000mcg would do. Not to mention Halo should be started at 5-10mg and worked up to 20. Its a great write up but if some kid stumbles in here hes just going to start with those doses. Just my .02

+1 for the write up though

Makwa's picture

And thanks for the suggestion. That is the type of feedback I need to help make this a solid reference.

Makwa's picture

You have some real good points there. I originally didn't even put any dose recommendations for those compounds to begin with because in my book they are one trick ponies that should only be used by serious competitors for their intended purpose and not ever used by the "casual" AAS user. I had been asking around but some of those compounds and basically those are the "competitor" level doses. I'll revise those a bit.

BeastMode5085's picture

yeah dont mean to be a debby downer, because this is an awesome write up and clearly you put a lot into it. But we all know how the noobs do it, they wander around on here and first number they see thats what they go with. That oral tren really did a number on me. All is good now but it took liv52, essential forte and milkthistle (4 times normal dose) to get my numbers back down. Lol this needs to be a stickie though... nice contribution

Makwa's picture

Yea that oral tren sounds like it is a real doozy. I was made aware of an injectable methyl-tren that I am still researching about. It might be slightly less toxic but it is still a candidate for jaundice in vial.

BeastMode5085's picture

lmao its a candidate for death in a pill

- K A P S I Z E -'s picture

Good post brother. Great for those guys like me gettin into our 3rd and 4th cycles.

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Makwa's picture

Added some basic AI info. If you are stacking compounds I am sure you already know your AI dose, but I am seeing alot of basic cycles with crazy starting AI doses. So hopefully this will help those people to at least start with a reasonable dose.

Makwa's picture

Added some SARMS info for those looking to cycle while they are off cycle.

Makwa's picture

I myself wouldn't run Tbol again at 50mg/d. But based upon what I could find it seemed that alot of users were getting positive results from that dose. Better to start of with a generally accepted dose of new compound and adjust upwards if needed. Next time I run it will be at 75mg. I am glad I started out at 50 though to see if it would work for me. It had some positive effect at that dose but I bumped it up to 75mg the last 10days of the run and seemed to get some more positive results from that dose and still didn't experience any negative sides. Could have been the Tbol I was using was slightly underdosed, I don't know, but I have found my sweet spot with it now. As with all these drugs, I think it is prudent to start with a dose that seems to be effective for most people and then adjust up or down to maximize your gains while still minimizing sides.

The Impastable's picture

Beautifully written Makwa. Favorited, +1, and will be using this whenever someone needs reference to a guide.

This should be stickies. Looking forward to the updates to include more compounds.

win3200's picture

Very well written sir, ththank you.

konig's picture

Very nice.. Very useful.. Didn't even think of the liver supps 2 weeks before and after..

Makwa's picture

Got ya covered.

rolltide3's picture

Dang Mak another great read glad to have u back abroad Smile

Hustle28's picture

Thank u for posting this makwa

tonytulo's picture

I'm impressed makwa very good write up , sticky worthy if you ask me.

Makwa's picture

Thanks. I definitely I plan on adding to it but I wanted to get it out right away to get some discussion going.