posted Thu, 12/11/2014 - 18:57
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Long Ester for a short run
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I do not understand why everyone says you have to run a long ester on a long cycle. If it is OK to run test P for 6 week why is it not OK to run Test E for the same time? The answer I read is test p kicks in faster and test E is much slower. I get that but on the other hand test p ends much faster than test E. Wouldn't this equal out? Is 6 weeks of test E really a bad cycle? Is there any other reasons out there against this?
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Tom GunnIts been done. With great results. I just want to know other than the slow start is there another reason.
I have a solution... lets run a short ester for a long cycle.
Now that is something I'm down with....:)
Post BF%. Agree with bros advice below. Once
you cycle, you will see the difference in how esters work.
Tom GunnFully aware of how they work. Just not understanding why the long ester with short cycle is so wrong.
Ace VenturaGo for it then. Who cares. Run your long esters and short cycles.
Tom GunnI can not go for it I have done it.The question is besides the ester release time is there a reason not to run Long esters on short cycle.
Glad you love shitty cycles but we don't here we like giving good advice. Running a six week cycle of test e is stupid just as soon as u reach peak levels your levels start to deteriorate lol. Test p is no more dangerous than test e don't know where u read all this but it's apparent u don't have much experience
Good answer my 'bama buddy!
It takes about 4 weeks if not a little longer for test e to reach peak plasma levels in the blood due to how long the ester is whereas you'll get there in 2 weeks on test p. for me it takes about 6 weeks to feel the test e fully kick in and even a little longer to see the real strength gains from it. So in short a 6 week test e cycle is a terrible cycle. Right when things are finally taking off you're ending the cycle. Even a 6 week test prop cycle isnt a very good cycle when you look at risk vs rewards. Shutting down yor hpta for 6 weeks for minimal gains vs 10-12weeks for a good gains is only logical. The side effects/risks are going to be about the same with both cycles but with the 6 weeker the reward is. very low. Building muscle takes time even on steroids. Even when I use test p to kick off a test e cycle I still don't feel like I've added anything solid until week 6 or so. But you could make modest gains on a short test p cycle. But it's only logical to go for 10 weeks and use test e. No reason to Try and reinvent the wheel. I get the feeling you've never cycled before?
Tom GunnThe side risk on test P are much Higher. P can shoot estrogen up to crazy levels with in 3 days. I get that the E fully kicks in at 4 weeks but It also stays in system longer than P. I have ran several cycles. Including a short E cycle. Which was worth running. Specially when you figure that pct can be short as hell. Its kinds of like going to school. The longer your off the more you forget. That is why everyone does not want to come off. 16 weeks off seems like a couple years but 6 weeks is not bad.
Ya i get it. Short cycles means less time off. People do this, its not very common but it does happen. But definitely not with long esters. It would be with all short esters and orals. Still not a very efficient way of doing things. 8 weeks would be a good cycle for short esters where you could actually add a decent amount of muscle. But 6 weeks with long esters isn't a very good idea.
Side risk are not more with test p or test e there both test just one works faster lol. U want side risk then how bout test p is better cause if u have a problem u can stop and it will be out of your system in few days instead of weeks with test e lol
Tom GunnThe sides hit extreme with prop. 3 days of prop and estrogen can be over 800.
3 days of prop and 800 estro? HAHAHAHA!! GTFO!
Tom GunnIt happened.
Lol I had to stop stay away from that nasty prop it will make u go blind
Lol your funny either your a troll or have no experience. Iv ran prop many times and test e and the sides are no different just that test p kicks in sooner do u know what an ai is lol. U realize test e converts to estrogen to right. Only difference between running prop or e is when u start your ai.
Tom GunnI am way over your head I get it. If a compound can raise your estrogen in 3 days and another compound takes 2.5 weeks and does is at a much slower rate then one has a bigger risks of sides. A lot of people do not even use a AI. You wait for sides on prop and your estrogen could be extremely high where E come on much slower.
Ugh it's hard to argue with stupid. You wait for sides with prop and your estrogen could get high but genius if u wait for sides with test e your levels will be high to lmao. Ya inexperienced users don't use an ai or the lucky few that don't need them (Viking ). Your argument of prop been worse than e is wrong. If this was right why does everyone say use tren a instead of tren e bc if u have a problem it will be out of your system fast.
Tom GunnI love prop. Use it almost every cycle. It is not worse it is harder to control for someone that is new to AAS.
No where did anyone say new user. Your argument was test prop is worse to use than test e bc estrogen side effects happen sooner. I'm talking me or someone with experience prop is awesome and I always at least kick start with prop. Now of course no one should run prop there first cycle why bc of the daunting task of pinning eod or ed into virgin muscle but estrogen sides are easily controlled if u have any experience. Most guys have less sides with prop I do I hold less water
Tom GunnI did not say it was worse. I said the side risk was higher. Also nothing wrong with pinning a bunch of different muscles as a new user. Your muscles are virgin until you use them know matter when that date is. The more sites you use the better. Even if its 1 or 2 pins a week. telling a noob to pin in there ass every time is dumb. Delts,tris,quads,.... need love too.
I'm done u have no experience and keep making shit up. Where did I say anywhere just to pin in your glutes as a newbie. You keep making up these points to argue that I didn't say so I'm done defending. Prop u don't use as a beginner bc of pinning ed or eod. Plus prop gives way more pip to most great for virgin muscles. Test is test just different ester attached to it. Prop is no worse or have higher sides than test e. U wait that long to have estrogen issues don't matter what test your using smh
RustyhookerPlease join beginners groups.
Tom GunnAre they needing help?
LOL
No, but you obviously do.
Why would you run an ester for 6 weeks that doesnt even bring blood plasma levels up to par until about the last day of your cycle?
Tom GunnThe simple answer would be less time off. Same reason you would run 4 weeks of prop if you was not on trt.
Being a blast cruiser...(which at your age maybe you do as well)... I never really come off.
My cruise is around 400/wk
Tom GunnRight and this would not be for you.
Ugh who cares bout time off you are missing the whole point. Time off means nothing in terms of having a successful cycle smh.
Tom GunnSure it does. That is why anyone that is serious about this takes very little time off.
Lmao bout time someone jumps up and takes over and helps all the newbies looks like we have a winner