posted Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:39
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Rich Piana says high mg/ml gear is fake... Thoughts?
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In this video Rich claims that it is essentially impossible to make gear that is over 330mg/ml, and therefore, that all gear labeled as being higher than that is fake, or at least under dosed and not true to the label. I'm not trying to stir up any hornets nests here, but I have not been in the game nearly long enough to have an opinion on the topic and wanted to hear what some more experienced guys think about this.
Here is the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COfyRakgcDk
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TALKING ABOUT
WATSON 200 TEST.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HURT?
THAT DENKALL T-400 CONTAINED A TON OF BA ALCOHOL.
OBVIOUSLY A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY ISN'T GOING TO GREAT A HIGH MILLIGRAMED TESTOSTERONE MAINLY BECAUSE PATIENTS WHO ARE TAKING IT FOR LEGITIMATE USES ARE NOT DOING SHOTS OF 2-3CC'S A DOSE.
I AM A PIANA FAN BUT HIS VIEWS AND HIS CHOICES OF WORDS GET OLD. FUCKING THIS AND FUCKING THAT.
HE KNOWS HIS SHIT BUT THIS VIEW IS WAY OFF. BELIEVE ME DON'T U THINK JUST A SMALL FRACTION OF THE MILLIONS OF USERS INCLUDING PROS WOULD BE SCREAMING IT OUT.
THERE IS AN AGENDA HERE
Piana, is nothing more than a self promoting asshole. He is so full of Synthol if he bumped into something sharp he would explode.
nobellabsI can tell you for a fact that test e, nandro decanoate, eq, can be suspended way above 330mg/ml.
I think he's referring to pharma V.s. underground labs. Pharma gear is usually lower dosed but it's the real deal! High Mg gear can be done though on underground labs, I prefer lower Mg gear myself!
supermansson11That's cause riches is pushing his own.lab which is fine.if u look at his gear.per.mg.you'll see nothing highly concentrated.to each there own I deff.have no prob.running high mg.gear or trusting my sources.the highest I have ever ran test.400 hated the pip.will never use again.if I do I'll deff.run half a cc.shots.
Please elaborate more on this lab...if Rich has his own ugl then please submit it as a new lab so we can witness his clusterfuck. And on a side note, it doesn't matter if you run 2cc or .5cc of that t400. Its the amount of hormone crystals present and solvent used that cause the pip, not the amount injected. The ratio of crystals to mg's is not gonna change. Be safe and stay healthy
supermansson11Yeah bro.pics.been up go to pics.its a bottle of anadrol.his minimum is $2,000
And everyone on this side of town knows about it.
Link please
Guess I'm on the opposite side of town then with a lot of other people. And $2000 is way to rich for my blood...kinda like T400 I guess. Be safe
whaaaaaaaat?
I've ran test e 550 and damn did it put a tennis ball size welt on my ass lol it was worth it tho...js
It can't be done, or at least can't be done with just a carrier oil. if they want to make high concentration gear other than eq they hhave to use advanced solvents like guaiacol,ps80 and eo.
Good to know my eq 600 is legit then lol. Why is eq easier to make at a high stength? I remember 10 yrs ago or so when I used to get eq it was super hard to find it above 200mg, and alot was 50mg. Now it seems like everyone has a 600mg eq out there. Does it being such a long ester have to do with it?
because EQ is itself liquid in form and can be used as a carrier oil
which means.... It can be done ;-)
Most of these recipes can be made. But sorry you can't fit more then a gram of powder in a ml, like our spongy friend tried to claim he did.
Now rich is right though in 99% of the cases. All you have to do is goto the lab section here and other boards to see 99% of ugl stuff out right now is underdosed. Most of it is because of poor quality powders, but still under dosed in the end.
Can it be done - Yes. Do I use high mg gear - No.
I'm running test e 500 this winter and will be getting total test levels pulled so we will soon see. But from my expierence I call BS I've run high mg/ml oils and I don't have any complaints most don't like them because of pip. I guess I'm lucky because I only get pip at the start of my cycle then nothing. I will say this I've ran a 1/2cc of test e 500mg/ml a week in the past and had test top out at 1500.
Thanks for your input. I will be looking forward to the results of your blood work. Definitely keep us posted!
I think he maybe meant that you can't make gear stronger than that without going to extra lengths of adding solvents and making the gear unusable to most people. I can't use anything more than 300/ml or I get tons of PIP. Obviously it's possible to dissolve more than that depending on what you are using as a solvent but it may not be healthy or good.
My thoughts are Rich Piana is a retard.
Hey! My brother is a synthol filled retard. I take offense to that statement!
I've mixed my own gear in concentrations greater than 330mg/ml so I'm quite certain that Rich has simply misunderstood something. Also, please be aware that Rich Piana often gets compensated to make videos leading me to the thought that much of what he espouses he may or may not personally believe or know to be true or not.
agreed Gear, with all the different carries and solvents I have no doubt that it's viable, I ran a high mg per ml test last year that about crippled me for 3 to 4 days no matter where I injected it. personally from there forward I'd rather pin more oil than deal with that crap again. far as Piana's opinion I think he's stuck in the past a little to much in relation to the chemistry aspect of aas, many older guys are. everything around us is constantly evolving, unfortunately some guys feel after so many years they got a bead on what's happening and stop learning. I'd be more inclined to think that's the case here cuz Piana is known for speaking the truth without someone pulling his puppet strings. just my thoughts brother.
All right, now there is a straight forward definitive answer. Thank you. I guess I didn't consider the monetary incentive.
Any thoughts on Jason Blaha? He has some ideas and theories that don't exactly mesh with eriods methods and values.
I used to suspect this same thing until I was called out and shown a raw form of EQ (Not a powder but liquid) in a really crazy high concentration. Then watched as it was actually used as the carrier oil. So something like 1G EQ/0.5G Deca per ml is realistic. The reason that is appealing to someone like me? Well I've been a short ester whore for years. Translation, I am a pin cushion with scar tissue everywhere. Less oil equals less issues for me. Do I think all claims of high mg are accurate? Faaaak no! I'm not slow. I know the game. But I know that it's more than plausible.
Beats me why anyone wants or needs high MG gear.
Regarding fake or underdosed..... hahaha... get your gear tested like i do. then the next time you open up certain SI pages you can laugh your socks off at the the fanboys raving about the fiyah gear unknowingly showing their asses has pure idiots pinning gear that tests at less than 23/30% purity LOL.
Guess I will have to start looking for someone with access to a mass spec.. I would love to know what I'm actually getting.
I can see the appeal though, less oil = quicker and easier injection. I sometimes get a little woosey half way through say a 3cc+ injection, specially if standing. Need to find myself a nice nurse....
I'll never run high concentrated test again, that shit had me fucked up. I'd rather just pin 2x as much of the regular 250 type and know I'll be gtg rather than getting crippled and feeling like shit off the high grade.
As far as it being fake, I don't know. Rich is deep in the game so I wouldn't discount his opinions completely.
Totally agree. I remember the 1st time i pinned Mexican test 400 lol. Felt like Andre the Giant socked me for the next week. Seeing this stuff now a days thats up to 800mgs, its amaxing anyone can tolerate this stuff. If thats the real dose in the first place
RustyhookerHigh mg gear can be made. Solvents etc have changed a lot. Expect pip in some cases. Blending is better.
Tink22I personally stay away from higher dosed compounds. Whether or not they're legit...idk i so feel more confident in typical dosed products tho. But hey if you trust you're source that's what matters, I think some compounds are deff possible to dose high and still be stable or whatever but I don't really buy into the crazy shit. I think a lot is to entice people into buying.. You know the whole bigger is better. People like big numbers. Hopefully folks are telling the truth on there doses but I'm sure many are lying. So like I said trust
If Piana said it, it's gotta be true...
Tink22Of course he never lies ;)
I have more faith in Bostin Loyd.....team 3cc baby!
B.L. Now there's a source of quality information.
Lol...pretty sure you caught the sarcasm but just to clarify, I was joking
I did. Rich & Boston: Two BB stalwarts!
He's a walking, talking chemistry experiment! In his latest youtube video he said he is currently injecting 8-12 times a day between gear, HGH, peptides, insulin and synthol. If he wants to do that to himself fine, lets sit back and see what happens. The problem is he is dolling out those mega cycles to his clients, aka a bunch of dumbass 19yo yolo's who will be on to the next thing in 6 months when they realize what the lifestyle actually is.....except oh now they are on TRT for life. For his age though the guy is pretty damn knowledgeable. He doesnt have the genetics to go pro, but he was able to overcome mediocre genetics to win the Contra Costa. You gotta know a thing or two to do your own prep and win a show like that.
Never personally used the high mg stuff but I've seen guys who have with bloods to back it up and everything was in place for the amounts being dosed. Now with ugl's all gear can be underdosed weather its 250mg or 500mg. Thats where blood tests and mass specs come in. As far as Mr. Rich Piana although he is just a massive is a total douche of you ask me
oh I think he is a douche too, with his stupid tattooed abs and synthol arms lol. And no legs! But he was ahead of his time when he was competing and seems to know quite a bit, thats why I wanted to bring this topic here.
Hey now no need to bash the tattoos. ...lol...I have more than him. Overall I just think he would he would have more credibility if he would just humble himself a bit more but unfortunately controversy sells my friend.
Oh not tats in general, I got a few myself. I just think its kind of douchey to outline or shadow or whatever your abs. Like real life photoshop ha.
guess we should all stop ordering test400 or test500 then
I saw this video to. Not sure if I believe it.
That's why I brought it here brother! I do have a buddy who used test e500 from a top source here and the first 2-3 weeks of the cycle he had all the sides Mr. Piana described that would be caused by high mg/ml gear. Bad pip, test flu, just not a happy camper in general. But he stuck it out and the sides did decrease after a few weeks. He didn't get bloods though, so its all speculation.
I did run a blend that was labeled as 350mg test e and 350mg EQ/ml at 1ml 2x week. I can tell you there is no way that I was running 700mg test/wk. So that one I do believe was under dosed.
I'm running a rip blend right now - test p, tren a, mast p 50mg/ml at 2cc eod. I was previously cautioned by a now "anonymous" avi that rip blends are often faked, but then again he's not here any more, so again who knows. I can say that I was running test p and tren a from 2 different sources at 100mg eod and since I switched to this rip blend it has been like night and day. I also dropped my AI and added mast E at 400wk and feel sooooo much better. SO much more energy. I was running prami as well and I dropped that too and so far so good with nipple sides. But ya since switching all of a sudden I want to bang every chick I see again and libido is thru the roof, I'm sweating buckets walking up the stairs and at night, eating 600g carbs a day and not really restricting fats much either and still getting harder and more shredded by the day. I think I found a winning combination and a good source! So who cares about the 500mg/ml shit when 50 will get the job done!
Ya man ive seen tons of mass specs on rip blends where it only contains 1 of the 3 drugs. I just stick to my source I dont go shopping around for the best deal cause thats gotten me fucked in the past and ruined cycle sfor me. So i have a source I trust with pharm grade gear for good prices and ill stick with it until they fuck me.