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12 Week Cutting cycle for May-July. Please help. I need your opinions.

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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS

Age-33
6'0
200lbs
14% BF - I was around 9-10% last summer, but was slacking on my diet, and I rationalized it by saying I was doing a winter bulk. I did gain mass, and continued working out, but like I said, I could have eaten cleaner. Now I have been doing a paleo like diet, and am down to 14% bf from around 16%, and that is in just 2.5 weeks. By the time May comes around, I'd like to be at <12% before I start with this round of the AAS, and at this pace I should be able to achieve this.

My goal is to expose those muscles more that are being hidden beneath the fat. I'd like to lose fat, while gaining some quality muscle. I'm not looking for a quick watery bulk, but more of a slower, more quality in lean muscle tissue, that I will be able to preserve (as much as possible) after the cycle is done. I'd like to increase definition as well as vascularity, these things are important for me.

My past experiences are as follows (and can be seen on 'my cycles' portion of my profile. Started with Test E cycle only (12 week). My next one was a Test E with an anavar finisher (12 week). I did not like the anavar, it made my muscles too tight. I play a sport where this is counter productive, otherwise I would have liked it. The cycle after this was a Test E/Masteron E (12 week) cycle with a Test P kicker which was GREAT! And my most recent cyle which was in late summer-fall was a Test P/NPP cycle which was effective (8 week). I preceded these cycles with 'the standard PCT', and it got be back to homeostatis quickly. I used Hygetropin and Riptropin during the past two cycles, and was taking it for quite some time to bridge these cycles in a sense. I enjoyed that a lot. But now I cannot afford the Hgh, so I am going for a pure AAS cycle, and I need YOUR expert opinions. As of now, I have Test E. I am thinking of running a 12 week cycle with a prop kicker, but I would like to add something else to the mix. I really enjoyed Masteron, but I was considering EQ, Primobolan, or a low dose of Tren E (maybe I may be too inexperienced for Tren, but that's why I have a ? next to it) For Primo or Tren, price may be an issue. I'm not saying I want to do all of these, I would just like to add one of those. I have a bunch of anadrol on hand which I would like to try, but I understand this would go against the lean gains goals I mentioned above, but if it could be useful for a few weeks in the beginning to add some size, I'd be willing to hear some comments? I had a bad experience with D-bol, my body just couldn't handle it. It made me queezy, and dizzy, and I didn't feel good at all. It's all up to you as to what I will order. Money is a factor. But there is no rush either, I'd like to do this the correct way, and I need your help for this. Thank you in advance, any help or feedback is greatly appreciated.

WeekTest EMasteron ENolvadexClomidAromasinHCG Arimidex/as neededProviron
1500 mg400 mg25mg/ED
2500 mg400 mg25mg/ED
3500 mg400 mg.25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
4500 mg400 mg25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
5500 mg400 mg25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
6500 mg400 mg25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
7500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
8500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
9500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
10500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
11500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
12500 mg400 mg500UI25mg EOD/ as needed25mg/ED
1325mg/ED
1425mg/ED
1520mg100mg12.5 mg
1620mg100mg12.5 mg
1710mg50mg6.25 mg
10mg50mg6.25 mg
Sumatra_Triangle's picture

Igf lr3 is wicked cheap compared to hgh

Test
Provi
Mast

oli's picture

I try and implement igf-1lr3 (along with the hgh) into my cycle. Then I take 5 weeks off, and I begin it again after my last shot through PCT. I feel this somehow preserves my gains a bit more than just coming off without anything that is anabolic. I don't want to mess with the suppression of testosterone while my body is re-acclimating itself, but it seems to work. Can you PM a good source? I've been using one of the top sources. Are your results on the igf comparable to those of hgh?

strongman480's picture

I feel that igf-lr3 is a waste of money during pct. the reason being igf-lr3 causes hyperplasia the only way these cells will form into muscle fibers is when you have your body in an anabolic and rich food enviroment.(in a bulking cycle) during pct you are in a catobolic state. all you are doing is eating the cells.

oli's picture

but do you think it may prevent the loss of muscle due to low test levels?

strongman480's picture

I think that if you are losing a decent amount of muscle during pct then i would increase calories before wasting hundreds of dollars on peptides. just like i said up there all you would be doing is eating the new cells, so in a way yes it would preserve the muscle,but it is still a waste of money during pct. do some research on SARMS S-4. I don't have experience with this but it may be a cheaper yet effective way to hold on to some of that muscle.

Makwa's picture

With that combo of mast/provi you may not need an AI. Starting it from week 1 along with that mast/provi combo will likely crash your estro.

oli's picture

I am prone to hair loss, and I did notice that my hair was falling out really fast on masteron, and proviron. I'd rather go with a longer cycle, with less injections. I did a short ester cycle of Test P and NPP last run, and it was good, just the constant pinning was less than ideal for me. Plus I already have the Test E on hand.

oli's picture

Thanks brother! When would you start? Or should I kinda feel it out by estrogen sides?

Makwa's picture

I have never used a mast/provi combo so best advice I can give is just have your ai on hand if needed.

oli's picture

Thanks

rolltide3's picture

I'm running something very similar to this my next cycle. Ran mast last time and I never even used an ai hardly at all maybe once a week or twice mast does an amazing job then threw in provi and prolly all u will need for an ai but have one on hand if needed

oli's picture

Ok cool, great!

Pale's picture

Why not stick with the Masterone , lower the test E and add proviron if you are wanting to cut?

Besides, Primo is a long runner, not 12 weeks.

oli's picture

I do have proviron as well. Test, masteron, and proviron. Would that not be recommended due to the somewhat similar natures of the masteron and proviron?

Pale's picture

It is my next cycle. And our UK brothers swear by it. Viking himself.

oli's picture

Excellent! I always like proviron with my cycle. How many mg of Masteron and Proviron would you recommend per week? I'll be using Masteron Enanthate to match up with the test. If I do 500mg of test per week that is. Thanks.

Pale's picture

I will leave the exact dosages to one of these other cats. But standard proviron on cycle is 50mg ED.

Doss's picture

You're gonna have a hard time cutting on that. Test is too high for a cut, even if you eat lean. You're gonna retain more water than you think.

I always use short esters to cut and run them 8-10 weeks max

Makwa's picture

Thats what I was thinking. That is alot of test e to be using for a cut.

oli's picture

I hear you, test always makes me retain a substantial amount of water. I have the Test E already, what if I just wanted to incorporate it because I have it, what would you recommend even if it's not going to give me the best results in regards to cutting? Thanks Doss

Gorillafit's picture

Hey Bro, I ran test E at 800mg\wk in the summer EBC with Tren E and Mast P and Anadrol to prove its not the ester, and this is the result. Work your nutrition plan.

oli's picture

Damn, nice work bro! I like how you challenge the common thoughts and beliefs of AAS's. How did you run your anadrol? Maybe I won't cut up as much as you have here, but I will do my best with a calorie deficient diet high in protein, low in carbs. I'd like to try Tren at a very low dose, do you think this would be ok for me with caber?

Gorillafit's picture

The Anadrol I ran the first 4 and last 3 weeks at 50mg 1 hour before workouts. The last 3 weeks I also ran 50mg AM. I used Aegis and Liv -52 for liver protection, it works great! Tren is great but it can mess with your sleep and your mind!
Check out this post by Viking:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wanna-get-ripped-read-this

oli's picture

I just researched Aegis a bit, and the consensus is that it is a great product for liver support. Thanks for the recommendation. When you say Tren messes with your mind, how so? I realize everyone reacts differently, but what is your experience?

Gorillafit's picture

Tren makes me Jealous, some people angry, Nightmares, No Sleep, Night sweats......

strongman480's picture

I get night sweats with tren ace and nightmares with tren e.

Doss's picture

I handle my sleep a lot better on tren e than tren ace. Both make me jealous as fuck and both make me more apt to snap on people. Tren e is more manageable for me. Great gains tho.

Doss's picture

Low dose test if you wanna cut. Keep it below 500 a week. And leave the prop out

oli's picture

Ok, thankyou. What do you think about a low dose of masteron?