pct for getting off trt. been on 2 years
ok guys, i would like to ask your advice with this issue i am having. i was put on testosterone replacement therapy 2 years for low test. after a 6months or so i noticed gyno developing. i began to use an ai against the reccomendation from my dr. since then, even though using the ai, and getting my levels tested, the gyno has gotten worse. i dont drink often, maybe once a week, but i was an avid weed smoker. After a while, i noticed that when i would drink the gyno would get worse, and i would notice under my nipples burning a lot. i have tried to refrain from drinking at all, but thats not the kind of life i want to live. anyway, after a while i noticed, that the problem may have not been drinking, but weed (which i always smoke, and if i drink, i smoke as well). i have recently quit smoking weed, but a couple weeks ago i smoked again, and noticed my nipples kind of burning. after some research i have found that both weed and beer can cause gyno. The worst part about this, is that the gyno continues to get worse, even though my tests say that my estrogen is in check. anyway, i tried to do a pct with clomiphene once about 8 months ago. i felt kind of crappy, so i started using test again. a few weeks ago i tried to ween myself off with clomiphene included as a pct, but when i got to the 3rd week without it, i literally could not function. i was distracted while driving, i couldnt focus on writing my papers for school, in short, i couldnt manage simple everyday tasks that are necessary in life. so i started using again. i always thought clomiphene was a good choice for pct, but apparently i might need some extra help getting my nuts going again. i started test again, but still plan to get off of it, as it has not had any kind of benefit for my mental or physical wellbeing, and with gyno problem for weed and alcohol, my level of life satisfaction is extremely low, so i want to get off this shit for good. anyway, i was hoping some of you veterans could chime in with some advice on what kind of pct i should do to maximize getting my boys pumping againwith as little side effects of extremely low t as possible. at least enough to be able to complete menial tasks such as dirivng and writing.. ive heard hcg and whatnot. also i cant take nolvadex cause it interacts with a medicine i am taking. since ive been on this for 2 years im guessing i need full blown pct help from someone here that knows about this stuff. i have always gotten great advice from people on this site in this past and think that this community is extremely helpful to people needing help. my doctor told me to just quit without anything, and i told him that wasnt working. he said there is nothing he can do. i would be extremely appreciative if anyone here can help me layout an awesome pct that i could benefit from, knowing the fact that i have been on test for 2 years, so getting my nuts going again is going to be harder than it would be after just a short cycle. i appreciate the help in advance. thanks guys
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Could this possiby be a prolactin issue?? I know its not that common.for test alone to raise prolactin levels like that but im sute its possible.. did you run any 19nors (deca,npp,tren) that could have raised prolactin and never got it in check?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/my-fertility-......
gym chemist- good read, he used proviron aswell, he went from infertile to having a baby, good read.
zewi has got you.
ZewiAnabolXStart hcg 3 days after last test p shot or 17 days after test e.
Week 1-3 aromasin 6.25mg E3D
Week 1-2 hcg 500iu eod
Week 1-7 proviron 50mg ed split 25mg 9am and 9pm
Week 2-3 clomid 50mg ed
Week 4-6 clomid 25mg ed
Since you can't take nolvadex we use proviron
After i competed in natural federations i jumped straight on gear and was boost cruising for about 1.5 years on various compounds (orals also) im pretty young and now am getting ready for my first NABBA show, anyway the point i was getting at coming off after 1.5 years i pretty much did exactly what Zewi has said above followed by a blood test 6 weeks after and everything was perfect
i just found this though, "Proviron is somewhat inhibitory of the HPTA. Using it during the recovery phase as part of post-cycle therapy is counterproductive." can you shed some light on why i would be using this during a pct if it is counterproductive?
ZewiAnabolXClomid helps with lh in the testis... But proviron does the same we need the lh ..lh is what the body uses to make test...also proviron helps prevent test from converting to estor... We are trying to kick start you...if we were not we would just use proviron as a bridge
dude. thanks so much. that sounds solid as fuck. can't wait to try this out, and share the results with the community. again, i greatly appreciate you taking the time out of your day to help me out with this issue.
Low T is low T brother, been there done that. With HCG/serms, the objective is to try to kick-start your HPT axis again now that it has hitched a ride on the TRT bus, and the drugs mentioned below do just that. However, as you have discovered by dropping TRT, you axis will not stay primed so you do indeed need supplementation and your options are somewhat limited, juice or serms/hcg. Juice seems like the more practical route to me. If herb and booze agitate your gyno, then whatever path you decide to take here wont matter.
well, im not dr. but i drank alot previously, as well as smoked weed, and it never gave me gyno. its my opinion that the testosterone im putting into my body in combination with those things, is what is making the gyno worse. im not sure, but im thinking if i go back to not being on trt, then those things wont agitate my gyno (since they never did previously). either way, i wanna find out for sure by trying to get off the trt. if it still is agitated when off the trt, then i agree with you about it making more sense to stay on the juice. however, there is an extreme lack of research of this nature, and i dont know a single person that would be able to give me a definitive answer. also as we know, everyone is different. like i said, i need to at least try, if it fails, then ill probably go onto my next option, which would probably be surgery but im not big on the idea of dropping 10 grand to get gyno and mammary gland removal without trying cheaper alternatives first.
It is a unique situation you have here, good luck with your research and post your outcome please.
ZewiAnabolXClomid(U can by) -Clomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone. However, we all know that that use AAS. However what else does study’s show on how it affects men. Clomid has been used from urologist to give men 30mg daily to increase both sperm count and motility—motility is the ability of sperm to move properly towards an egg. So this means taking Clomid daily at 30mg can for some people(cause we are all different) increase sperm count and its motility.
HCG (U can by) —Both of these are very important—However, can convert to estrogen (a small dose of an AI evr 3 day or so well keep that in check) HCG for men that have hypothalamic or pituitary malfunction, can take HCG 2 times a week for 6months to increase testis size so they are at their peak and producing test.
Nolvadex(U can By)- increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone. And also helps block estrogen. However, it helps your body increase your sperm count because of that. In fact the bad thing about Nolvadex unlike Clomid is that it doesn’t on its own increase sperm count or their motility. However, you still needed it because it does increase your LH and FSH which we need for healthy testis.
Vitamin E (you can buy)
Thanks fir the reply zewi. I can't take nolvadex as I'm taking a medication that has a serious interaction with nolvadex. So, what would the dosage be of hcg if I just wanna get back to baseline and how long after my last shot of test should I start the hcg? Thanks in advance for the reply. It's been a while since I been around. It's good to see reputable guys like yourself becoming sources.
TronMan, you might need HCG, Clomid, and exemestane. I really don't have good advice for you but I am very interested in seeing what someone with experience has to say on this seeing as how I have been on trt for about 2 and a half years myself. I am sending you a friend request.
Cool. Just accepted. I have exemestane abd Clomid. Was thinking the same thing about hcg as well. Was hoping someone with some experience would chime in with suggested dosage, length, etc. Based on the amount of time I've been on. Thanks for the reply man!
you want nolva, clomid, hcg, not a fan of aromasin in pct but that's your choice, id be running the pct for atleast 6 weeks, you can add in natural supps to the mix, such as daa, fenugreek, zinc, vitamin d, are you going to be trying for a child?
Cool thanks for the reply man. I'm aware of the ideal dosage for a Clomid pct, however I'm wondering about what dosage and when would I add the hcg into the mix based on how long I've been taking the test. Thanks.
zewi replied above- hcg dosage will depend on your goal ie- if your trying to have a baby you will blast it eod etc, or are you just trying to get you test levels back to base line?
Just back to baseline. I didn't even see that was zewi. Been a while since I've been around.