HCG during cycle but when and when stop?
Hi all!
I read a lot about HCG protocols during cycle (during or just in the end, and so on).
I vote for that I want use during my next cycle coz its a long bad ass cycle 
My next cycle is:
1-4 week : 40mg/day dbol (to kickstart)
1-16 (or 1-18) week : 500mg/week sustanon (pinned 2x/week)
1-16 (or 1-18) week: 700-800mg eq/week (pinned 2x/week)
1-10 week: NPP 300mg/week (pinned 3x/week)
and planing after 16 or 18th week the follows:
16-24 (or 18-26) week: 40mg/day stanazol
16-24 (or 18-26) week: 3x100mg/week Primobolan or Test.propionate??? (I havent decided the products )
0.5mg arimidex EOD (and/or 25mg proviron ed)
I would use HCG from the 4th week (or 2nd or 1st day???) 250IU/every 4th day or every 2nd day if I feel its needed
So my question is that when I come off the HCG???
I know lot of protocol said that after the last testosterone injection recommend using HCG 1 (or 2) more weeks then 1 (or 2) weeks off everything then start PCT without HCG.
But If I use primobolan not test.propionate???? When come off the HCG or use this protocol too with Primobolan?
I would do 6 week long PCT with clomid and nolva because its a very long cycle (for me!)
If I do everything fine (HCG dosage, PCT) then I dont going to got erectile dysfunction from this long testosterone cycle??? Or is it inevitable? I ask because I never do a long cycle like this (I always do 12-14 weeks)
And a last question
If I mixing 5000IU HCG with 1ml bac.water then 250IU is 5units in the syringe?
Sorry for my english I hope you understand what I would ask
Thx for the replies!
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It's partially accurate. HCG will cause a rise in testosterone which will convert into estrogen but it will also create estrogen in the testes without conversion.
Thx my friends the answers!!!
But where the truth bro?
'WhyNot' said:
"Run your hCG from the very first week. 150 IU three times a week. Run it until 3-4 days before PCT." and said "I think you can definitely do well with biweekly injections especially if the dosages are above TRT"
'Goliath90' said:
"I would split your 500mg into 4 doses and same goes with the NPP." and said "Typically I run HCG the last 8 wks at 500iu/wk and stop 2 wks out from PCT"
I confused a bit ha-ha-ha
I have my own protocol if I see the result is weak I pinning more time and more AAS.......but this fckin HCG 
So from the beginning or not from the beginning?? 250IU a week or 500IU a week??? Which is the golden mean? I dont want to libido problems but dont want to desensitised myself too 
In the AAS pinning that how much and when its okay
Thx friends!
ZewiAnabolXOk thx bro!
"HCG can convert to estor"
It absolutely does not do that.
"You must be on an AI during this time as HCG can convert to estor."
AI is Ineffective because the estrogen that is created is directly in the testes and is not converted.
Hahaaaa....so....what the hell can I do???? Everyone has another advice....I think I started HCG from 4th week till PCT with 250IU/week....its ok then?
you should up it to 250IU Twice a week or even better 150 IU three times a week.
Ok bro!
I dont want to start another topic to this: I can buy SARM Ostarine (tablets).....is it good after PCT to keep more muscle?
My personal belief is you should just give your body a complete break after PCT. Nothing except HGH.
ZewiAnabolX"HCG can convert to estor" correct i just worded it wrong here you go..
Technically speaking HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - does not aromatize, but can cause a significant increase in test which does aromatize and it also stimulates aromatization in the lydig cells..
"You must be on an AI during this time as HCG can convert to estor."
your on an AI during HCG because of what i said above..
i should have explained it much better my bad WhyNot.. hope this clears it up..
I think an important thing to note here is that HCG CAN cause gyno.
Also, just for you Zewi, its actually spelled leydig*
ZewiAnabolXi like they ly.. cause that area is always lying to me, about women and my test.. stupid fuckers.
The point I was getting at is that the E2 that is created in the testes an AI will not work on Because it is not converted from testosterone.
ZewiAnabolX;)
this is the thing about hcg, everyone has their ideas of how to run it. not many people around really understand everything about. HCG in itself can be suppresive and cause some unwanted sides. there is no consistent knowledge when it comes to hcg with proper use and what sides it has or the benefits, it will be different from every person you speak to about it, it seems. i would suggest this, im not even going to throw my opinion in here on it. it will just stir the pot even more.
research more about, there has been a big shift as of late in its use, for when to use it, who should use it and how to run it.
True, everyone has.
I'll give you the Endocrinology societies latest study published last year.
1000iu once weekly from start of cycle till start of PCT.
It's that simple.
Do not fall into the 3 x weekly trap because HCG once injected no longer has a true biological half life, once it injected it becomes bi-phasic and it will have in esscence, two half lives,
Basically the leydig cells become refractory to further stimulation for up to 96hrs hence the new recommendations.
Oh and remember HCG is not all about just keeping your balls full and aesthetically pleasing, it also increases pregnenolone which is a precursor to all other steroid hormones and influences their steroidogenesis.
"1000iu once weekly from start of cycle till start of PCT."
That is bad advice. One large dose of hCG is going to spike intra-testicular E2 which cannot be controlled with an AI.
This is the Advice of the Endocrinology society so best you tell them that.
If anyone has issues with E2 (for example they are gyno prone) then they should use nolva alongside their HCG.
I have used that protocol for 4 years and so have hundreds of my clients, it works and it works very well.
ZewiAnabolXbut you cant use Nolva with Arimidex or Letro or it will affect the blood plasma levels of Arimidex and letro.
That is absolutely not true and there are current studies that show that you can use Nolvadex with Arimidex.
Why would you want to use a compound to counteract side effects that could be avoided in the first place?
Ok thx m8!
AnonAAS- yes you will see results from pinning Sust 2 times a week but not as much as if you were to split the dose into 3-4 pins per week, but that's fine if you prefer not to...just trying to help you and let you know the proper way to use the compounds you have decided to run.
HCG- Depending on what your goals are depends on what you do. If you want your nuts full and plump so your girlfriend doesn't ask questions start using 500iu/wk once you notice and shrinkage. If your intention is to give yourself the best recovery leading into PCT then the best way is to pin a total of 500iu/wk split into 2 pins for the last 8wks until the end of your cycle and quit use between 10-13 days prior to starting PCT. Libido problems aren't in direct correlation with HCG. HCG will give you some crazy orgasms and help libido, but loss of libido isn't due to not running HCG. Will you be using an AI such as Aromasin? Excessive estrogen can lead to libido issues
"... but that's fine if you prefer not to...just trying to help you...." sorry m8 I dont want to hurt you
I'm very happy that you help me 
And also thank you WhyNot!!
So I just would use Sustanon because the prop ester, its good with NPP. If I use enantathe then I must use propi for the NPP..or not???
And what about EQ its ok 2x a week or EOD or 3x a week.
My wifey a nurse so she give me the injections 
Ok I understand what you 2 said to me!
Ok so I'm going to pinning sustanon and NPP eod
And I'm going to start the HCG 500IU/2 split/week when I notice testicle "abnormalities"
I dont hate needles but dont love them too
And yes I'm going to use AI (arimidex, proviron) and got clomid and nolva already for PCT
AnonEQ is a very long ester, so twice a week is fine. Research "steroid ester half life chart" and this will give you some more clarity on esters
Take your biggest common denominator, in this case NPP, and follow that dosage schedule. So if you are going to be going EOD with the NPP might as well do that for every compound and spread out the volume.
Run your hCG from the very first week. 150 IU three times a week. Run it until 3-4 days before PCT.
AnonAlso I don't understand what your going to run as your test if you choose to run primo over test prop. How many cycles have u run previous to this
I know the base is testo. But i never use primo and want to try it and dont want to use testo longer then this 16 or 18 week. I want my libido ok after this cycle too. I never got a libido problem (thx god).
AnonWhy are you only pinning Sustanon twice a week and NPP only 3 times a week. Typically I run HCG the last 8 wks at 500iu/wk and stop 2 wks out from PCT
I always pinning Susta 2x a week (500mg). Why go higher? The more not always better
I got water retention in my ankle from this 500mg already so what I got if I go higher?? I dont know and dont want to know bro!
NPP? I never use this before so I think for the first time its ok for 3x a week
And thank you the answers!
AnonAt the very least you would be best to pin your Sustanon 3x a week on Mon/Wed/Sat for example
AnonI ask questions before I give answers. I am not suggesting using more Sustanon, but pinning it EOD as it is best used. You will feel so much better pinning it EOD bc you will utilize the prop ester this way and keep your blood labels more stable. Yes sustanon has very long esters, but to really get the most out of it, I would split your 500mg into 4 doses and same goes with the NPP. 3 times is the absolute minimum u should pin NPP, but again, your gains will be better pinning EOD
Sust is a shit ass product. I think you can definitely do well with biweekly injections especially if the dosages are above TRT. NPP should be done ED due to the short acting half-life. That's just my two cents.
AnonNPP ideally should be done ED, but at the very least EOD...but not 3 times a wk like he is suggesting, but he seems pretty stuck on his pinning regimine...I don't think he likes needles. Sustanon isn't really a shit product IMO, but just like NPP with that Prop ester in there, he would be better served pinning it EOD
If he doesn't like pinning he is in the wrong game. LOL
In my opinion Sustanon has way too many esters and that over complicates everything from PCT to the actual cycle. Will it work, absolutely, but why overcomplicate things.
AnonI agree, Ive run it 3 times now and much prefer the sustained feeling of a Cyp/Enan or just goin all out with a Prop.
Prop at the beginning of the cycle and the end of a cycle and C/E throughout is probably the best way to do it. It gives you the shortest Time to start PCT while giving you the highest peak plasma levels for longer amounts of time.
BuckyDentureThats a long run with HCH. You can desensitise your self to it if you take it too long. Take it for the last 4 weeks of your cycle and the time in between cycles last shot and pct start.
HCG is good stuff, just use it right.
"You can desensitise your self to it if you take it too long"
Not true if the dosages are low.
Your math is correct on the hcg...5 ticks is 250iu
I stop hcg 2 weeks prior to starting pct
AnonIt depends on how much bac water you have used to re-constitute it
You should run it 3 to 4 days before PCT.
AnonThis is only true if you are blasting at a very high dose and Im not sure I have even seen it only done for 3-4 days at a high blast...I thought it was closer to a week. The problem with the blast can be the sides though, which is why I prefer 8wks prior to the end at 500iu/wk
I think we are having a disconnect here. I am saying you run it the whole cycle and stop 3 to 4 days before.
Anonahh understood...ive always heard about 10 days to avoid any overlap with the PCT regimen. 3 to 4 days I would think it would still be fine though
Look at the half-life and you will see that it works perfectly. The last thing you want to do is stop stimulation to your testes right before.
Thx for reply bro.
And you know answers for remaining questions? :-)