No. TNE 1st 2 weeks with test prop for 3 weeks with a baby dose of enanthate then just continue to cruise for a total of 18 weeks on 5-600ml's of test enanthate. And jeez, already Im getting a tiny bit of testicular atrophy and Im only on week 2. Never went over 700mls total per week for 1st 2 weeks. Ahhhh what the balls dont do at age 54. And the b-12 every other day is causing me huge insomnia. Cutting back to 1x a week and just 500mcg. Well, At least I have back 1/2 my weight gain I lost of my last 12-14 week cycle in 2 weeks. I knew those damn long acting esters were not the way to go for a first cycle in 25 yrs, but I just had to try the damn Sustanon, whose short acting esters aint worth a damn(imho). There was none of that around when I was cycling at age twenty-two.... 30 yrs ago. Amazing that I first cycled test enanthate and dbol 32 yrs ago and now all these yrs later(4 months ago) I first cycle sustanon and dbol which is almost the same thing. Cant believe this is the best sports medicine could do in 30 long years! Good God!

Now lets pray my balls dont start glowing green in the dark. And Coco, if I was 20 yrs younger I WOULD love to try 500 and 500mls of TNE and prop total-1000 per week for an 18-20 week cycle as I see at my age the TNE and prop is the kick in the pants these older gonads need. But nahhhhh, not at my age. If I gain just 5-7 more pounds and lose 6-7% bodyfat, I will be a contender on the singles scene again here where in Florida every pub and club is on the beach. Im not looking to get freaky big. The kid is coming back!!! You guys have been great.

thanks roman and coconut. No, enanthate is my leadoff batter. I just want to try something new and use TNE for a couple of weeks and test prop for a while until the test enanthate kicks in.Also I wanted to see if TNE has all this "fire" to give you super pumps and energy as some guys here have described, but either my body is f^&cked up or some of the posters here have a hell of a an imagination.3 or 4 guys made it sound like TNE was human rocket fuel. I had to see for myself. Is that what they call the placebo effect? lol Or they get really overdosed gear! Who knows. And yes I got 2 kinds of b-12. One the regular cyanocobalamin and the other is the cyclano as you use. One at a time of course. Great thread here!

Famous, I actually did it IV 12 yrs ago with a whole multi vitamin-mineral mix for once a week for 3 weeks. Felt nothing. Done in a doctors office of course. I juts got my b-12 in yesterday and in fact injected today. Will keep you guys updated. I am hoping the b-12 in the iv was not 1250mcgms as the ml or 1 injection is. which is why it didnt work. But also I am hreading there are now 2 or 3 different kinds of b-12 you can use as well. Nothing gets simpler, does it?!!!!!!

Fin, it sure was pain free. Just did my first one today. One testicle started glowing green within 30 min. But seriously, I will keep you guys posted on that too. And truth is, at age 54, I really lost my interest in hauling iron. I used to live for it. Then I took a several yr layoff and I see now, and some advice for those approaching 40.......................IF YOU STOP WORKING OUT IN YOUR 40'S FOR OVER A YEAR, YOU MAY NEVER GET BACK INTO THE RYTHYM OF IT AGAIN........OR.... MAYBE YOU WILL... BE FOREWARNED. Its shooting dice.

So, if the TNE, and B-12 which ive never done either.... do nothing at all after a month, Im down to my last hole card.............. a shake made up of EX-TENZE,Metamucil powder, milk thistle, and flintstone gummy bear multi vitamins with raw eggs and dessicated liver by the handful. (do any of you remember that awful stuff) All we had to do was eat 3 bites of steak to get the same protein of a whole handful of those tablets. How Vince Gironda suckered us into egg yolk mixed with half and half diets with desiccated liver i will never f-in know. But it was the 70's, and anyone who could put together 2 pages of diet advice that happened to have a six pack was given guru status. Can anyone say impacted colon, impacted colon, impacted colon 3 x really fast without drooling? LOL And I might throw in a can a day of Joe weiders super pro 101. If anyone remembers that product,it was what Arnold held in his hand everytime you saw him in the 70's with 5 girls around him,2 holding his thighs,the other 2 just accidentally in his arms when the pics were shot, one always on his shoulders while standing naturally (ha! ha!) at the beach, with Franco on the other opposite page same exact layout of girls coincidentally.. And they swore you could look like them if you bought their pre-digested ready to drink protein in a can. So casein (and later whey) has been out since 1969 at least and all it did was give me serious gas. The kind you need a ghostbusters radiation suit to live thru!!!!!!