pct and wood
wassup y'all. im doing a basic ten week deca/test e cycle 300mg each/wk. from lixus and I'm having great results. really.. maybe its because my training and diet are on point, but no complaints. im adding hcg the last 5 weeks for the boys. ill finnish off with a good pct; two weeks after last shot i start clomid and nolvadex 100/50/50, 40/20/20. now my question is this; should i do my pct fot 4 weeks instead of three since im using long esters? and most important will i still b able to perform while pct..? i plan on adding some extenze, to the extent it works, no punt intended:) and after my pct, will there b a small period of adjustment too?? it really wldnt matter to me a few days off while my normal hormone levels get back to normal, its just the ol lady would not be displeased; she is difficult and would not understand... brothers, any comment is welcome. peace
edit; got a bottle of addex.. i read to keep the ai on hand and look/listen for signs. take if needed; 0.5 mg eod..
ive done several cycles before and gyno nor acne ever was a problem..
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Vewiproviron during PCT will do you wonders for wood.
bigun^^^ this!!!! I ran Proviron through my last pct 50mg/day and it was by far the smoothest pct to date. Libido consistent, sense of well being, no "pct blues". Awesome tool that I'll incorporate in all future pcts.
hmmm, nice to have solid personal experience in this. plus one from me
bigunThanks buddy! Pm me if there is anything I can help you with.
i dunno man, ive never taken proviron so i cant say much other than its my understanding that its still suppressive to natty test and totally counterproductive to post cycle therapy. i dont know for sure so dont attack me lol, but treads the man i learned that from if im not mistaken ...
VewiProviron is helpful in stacks because of its unique ability to keep the body from turning testosterone into estrogen, thus giving the testosterone a better anabolic effect, Proviron can help boost the potency of testosterone in the body by freeing testosterone from its binding to sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG).
Proviron also acts as anti-aromatase in the body, preventing or slowing the conversion of steroids into estrogen
"my understanding that its still suppressive to natty test and totally counterproductive to post cycle therapy."
No, it won't suppress LH or FSH and will even provide your body with more free testosterone since it binds strongly to SHBG.
Vewi brothaman, i get proviron is great on test stacks but im confused as far as to use it or not during pct..??
Im heading to thailand in september (for 3 months) and i know proviron is for sale there, under another name. provided i can get real shit..
Ill do some more digging on my side and start a couple of threads on the subject since i havent found any on the eroids forums.
Many thanx bro. i just read up on it.. instead of putting my money in 'extenze' i think ill get some proviron and since im not prone to hypertension it shld be the right compound for me..
I will also include it in my next stack i think.. lets say i do; test e 50-600/wk, boldenone 400-600/wk, primo 400/wk, hcg 750 iu the second half of stack, winnie 150-200mg/wk second half of stack and addex at hand if necessary. all followed by proper pct. all hypothetical but a realistic next stack, wld you add proviron??
Maybe thats a question for the cycles forum and ill i think ill post it there too but since im not certain that will be my next cycle or not ill hold off.
But this is for proviron and pct sake.. or to make pct easier. so i m staying on this thread
Proviron in the above mentioned stack? I always use test as base in my cycles so am i better of using proviron in all my cycles? Or proviron for pct, when it matters the most maybe..??
Would the use of proviron during cycle ease the transition in to pct?
Im bombarding you with questions when you wrote but a few words on this thread and prolly didnt ask to be bothered the way i do you.
Any input wld b greatly appreciated brotha man. thnx for your time
my advice is get ur self some vitamin B-6, prami, cialis, and caber. ur first mistake was not taking caber/ or a prolactin antagonist , second mistake was not running test for two more weeks longer.
hit the vitamin b6 at 600 mg per day
prami taper up to 1mg, start from .125mg and work ur way up slowly, start really slow because that shit will make u sick if u take too much before u adapt
caber .25 x 2 per week
hit the cialis brother for atleast the next two month as it will also balance out ur estrogen to test ratio , ur in for a long wait..
happens to the best of us , good luck
i have b6 injectable 100mg/ml, 2ml amps, cialis and a bottle of addex for if symptoms pop up. Ive been told to use only when needed. Im on the latter part of my cycle and all is going smoothly..
Should i take the cialis ED or EOD at 20mg?
oh yeah, i also have some iranian test amps so ill b prolonging by 2 weeks my test shots.
Thanx for the advice bro
waltrI've found every 3rd day works very good. Cialis is made to work up to 72 hours.
cool. ill test it out and c what works well foh me. def eod or e3d, 20 or 30...
is liquid cialis more potent than the pill form? ill b taking the generic pills..
thanx for your input bro
waltrdepends on the quality of the liquid/generic really
TronOne suggestion that works and believe me I have learned the hard way. Always have some viagra on hand. when you are putting all these substances in your body you just never know when a failed erection is going to happen.
word,will do. i have found an awesome site for generic cialis and viagra. they have the real deal on hand too but the price difference is ridiculous... convenient when you dont want to put in a big order of mix shit through an eroids source just to get that one thing you need.. ya know bra. any one wants the site address.? pm me and ill share the happiness
TronI got a couple go to sites for peptides myself bro. But i will for sure pm you if i need another one. Take care bro.
IMO run your test 2 weeks longer than the deca. Also you're pct should be 4 weeks.
100/100/50/50 clo
40/40/20/20 Nolva
Here is a link to some HCG info as well.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/hcg-what-is-it...
yeah buddy !!! x2
yo man thanx for the reply. First, i did read a couple of times to run test longer than the deca but i also read, as far as i can remember, not to worry about that and by the endo pct all will be fine and dandy.. not sure about that actually.. im going to need to do some more research.. I do have at hand more test e, 250 mg amps from aburahain (dunno how its spelled), so it wldnt be a problem prolonging the test e. Since the Aburahain gear is no doubt more potent than the lixus gear the 300/250 shld even out. And yeah, second, 4 weeks pct at the dosages you recommend will surely be safer. Again, i have enough nova/clomid at hand not to cheap it. I did read recently in a post from a source because of the long esters in the gear im using to go for 4 weeks. He'a source, maybe he was pushing. I needed confirmation. Also, thanx for the link bro, ill definitely check it out afta i get of this thread. Fuck, i just realized i need to start structuring my messages a little bit better, like y'all. For clarity's sake..
Abaddon, thanx for the help bro
waltrMy first concern is prolactin support and an aromatase inhibitor because you didn't mention either.
Second concern is the PCT protocol which should start 3 weeks after the last injection, switch it up to Clomid 100/100/50/50 Nolvadex 20/20/10/10 Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25.
As for performing in bed, if your finding it difficult to get and maintain an erection you could always get yourself some cialis or viagra, but if your hormone levels are where they should be at with proper estrogen/prolactin control you shouldn't have any issues in this department.
As for your reply to the post, I'm currently taking liquid tadalafil (cialis, every 3rd day 30mg) and I'm having trouble keeping my dick from getting hard just walking down the street without any stimulation.
The tadalafil I use gives me migraines the next day (if I take it before bed) at dosages as low as 20mg.
Thinkin bout trying another generic brand, curious to try the liquid version. Hit me up on PM bro.
Honestly, this is my fifth cycle and the last one i did before this one must be 8 years ago if i remember right. I did hit the gym on and off the whole time off the sauce but since im getting older(38) it is becoming too hard to make any gains, restarting the engine takes longer. Gym sessions hurt like a bitch and i cant recover like i used to. Fucking aging sux bro. im actually seriously considering a TRT for my 40th b-day, with the occasional summer blasts
That being said, im not familiar with prolactin support and aromatase inhibitors.. Are they herbs? I like herbs.. Seriously, ill look into that asap. Knowledge is power and doubly so when you apply one to another. This should be the eroids motto; knowledge is power.... OR NOT!
As far as the pct goes, i did read on several occasions to start 3 weeks afta the last shot of long ester test and that makes sense due to the half life of it. Yet from a knowledgeable dude, he's a source, 2 weeks would be longest to wait before starting pct.. He even mentioned; 1.5/2 weeks.. I did have my best pct, way back, when i waited 4 weeks. Actually i had no choice but to hold of the 4 weeks before commencing pct. I was doing sus from organon, deca yellow tops and 50 ml bottle of winnie then.
If i want to add Aromasin to my pct, i have to order another care package.. Id like to get around to that. If not, clomid/nolva will have to suffice. 4 weeks 100/100/50/50, 40/40/20/20. Since my cycle is fairly light i wont be writing home not having Aromasin in my pct. Definitely next time, and it wont be next summer. I plan on doing a nasty complicated yet hugely rewarding winter cycle.. Since i found this site, a little bit over a year ago, i found more, none like this one though. I can safely say surfing this site, doing research, reading up on shit, prepping a cycle and gaining knowledge and all became a big part of the fun of gearing up. Not to mention the conveniences of having reliable sources on here.. B4 it was from friends of friends and its not the way to go.. It foso had to contribute to my 8 year, or so, dry spell. If i would have known about eroids all those years ago it would have been a different deal. Eroids truly rocks, so stoked!
And yeah ill have cialis at hand. Generic shit.. much cheaper. Since ill be popping them for a few weeks it will be easier on the wallet. Im getting some from a site then im buying some more once in thailand. Say, is liquid cialis longer acting than the pills? i planned on doing 20 mg ED if my junk wasn't working like it should. Then i read about the headaches and stuffy nose. Maybe ill do 20 mg EOD and up it if necessary. Wiser.. And i definitely know what ya mean about them walking hard ons.. Made me feel like a teenager again lmao.
Ill be looking into this 'aromatase inhibitor and prolactin' business. Thanx for looking out bro. I hope one day my knowledge will be up to par. There is a lot to learn and not enough time to do it in. Im a late bloomer i guess. peace and hair grease.
man, i really need to compress my thoughts a little bit betta if i want to hang on this site. latr
edit; I do have a nottle of anastrozole at hand and i watch out for the symptoms. im not inclined to have them though. i actually never have had the symptoms and my first douple of cycles i did it like a barbarian.. Fisrt one sus 3x 125mg/wk. Second one, sus 250 mg 1x/wk, Deca blue tops greek shit 200-400 mg/wk. I turned into a beast both times. Way too much water but no tit problem, crashed hard for a couple of weeks after but kept a decent amnt of gains, in hindsight.. latr dawg:)
waltrRead what big daddy b said above, that's solid info about what to do.
I personally use research liquid cialis (tadalafil) at 30mg every 3rd day and like I said keeping my dick from not getting hard is the problem I have now.
AI is an aromatase inhibitor (either arimidex [anastrazole for research liquids] which would be run at .5mg every other day, or aromasin [exemestane for research liquids] which would be run at 12.5mg every day [(possibly 6.25mg if 12.5mg is too much, you'll have to listen to your body on this unless you get lab work done)]
Prolactin is caused by taking 19-nor steroids [Deca, NPP, Trenbolone] and can actually cause males to lactate in worst case scenarios, Cabaser can be had pretty cheaply if you find a good source [here's a hint, if you look at my pictures you'll see where I get it] and should be run at .25mg twice a week. Alternately you can run Pramipexole [which is a little more expensive, but at dosages of 1mg ED is supposed to raise IGF levels] at as little as .25 ED, but again you'll need to keep an eye out and listen to your body on this as well unless you get bloodwork done.
Dude! Do you ever go to fucking bed! I mean, Jesus! You're on top of your game for sure and I'm glad to have somebody like you on this board! +1!
waltrfucking tren man, 4 hours of sleep at a time.
i've gotta take 2 naps a day or i'm a zombie
Have you tried valarien root or anything like that?
waltrnot yet, i read your reply suggesting it i just haven't gotten around to it yet
Benadryl helped me a lot as well.
waltrI take 75mgs every night, it helps me fall asleep but not stay asleep.
I keep waking up at like 1-2 AM and going back to sleep just ain't happening.
Well that sucks camel dick.:-(
Yo bro. Ive had trouble sleeping too lately. i slept like baby in the beginning of cycle but thats done.. and from my past cycles i know its a normal pattern with me. I went ahead and bought some valerian root like you discussed, recommended.. I never had heard of the stuff, usually i used melatonin but thats really meh.. I used to blast a 10mg valium amp when desperate (i get them at the hospital i work at..)
But valerian fucking root works great! I sleep well once more and rest is so important when hitting the gym 6x a week.
Many thanx bro!!!!!!!!!
Bro, I'm so glad to hear that it works for you! The melatonin works for some people but I noticed that when I took it I had really vivid and FUCKED UP dreams. Another thing that can be a factor is pre workouts in the evening. If you're working out later in the night say around 7-8 or even 9 and taking a pre workout that can have a huge effect on your sleep also. If your taking a lee workout for just getting the "pump" then look into Hemevol. It's put out by iForce and its a non stim sup. But it will give you mad fucking pumps!
I work one week day shifts, one week evening shifts. so schedule is a little eratic as far as gym hours goes. so yep, it happens i train in the evening... ill definitely look into that.
I either use no xplode or rage as pre work out, depending on the month. combined with gear i have a hard time keeping my gym sessions under 3 hrs, cardio included.. then i take cell mass.. heart rate stays up for awhile afta the gym of course.
i will look into your suggestion. thanx for the heads up brotha.
say, how do you up vote? neva done it. i think its time.. just the fact of sleeping well again, i thank ya
You just click the on the thumbs up in the right top of the comment box. You can only give people karma points if you have 50 karma. Glad I could help you out bro.^_^
Edit; i must be honest, im concerned as well for my thai vaca coming up.. i dont want to be in the land of sex with my dick in the dirt.. i know there is always cialis and shit but if my libido is dead it would suck..