posted Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:41
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+ 6 Week 10 of Hulkbody Test/Masteron cycle testosterone levels
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These are my results from week 10 of my hulkbody cycle. It took me this long to get them done, but better late than never. At the time I was running around 500mg of test e a week,350mg of test prop, anywhere from 80 to 100mg a day of TNE, and 500mg a week of masteron enanthate. I pinned a cocktail of these compounds everyday. All Hulk Gear... as you can see, my levels are definitely up. The nurse who took my blood definitely thinks I'm full of shit because I told her I'm taking over the counter supplements.
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AnonI like te idea of like a test e and Masteron e cycle natty estro blocker and frees up test as well thanks or the read and posting lab work +1
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalink2200 sounds about right. Your taking 500mg of test e per week. The TNE is in and out so has no bearing. The Prop has a short accumulation so we add about 100-150mg of the 350 to the total. The other 200-250mg is gone. Tread has debated this before and made a nice analogy..you don't count the steak you ate on Monday to your calorie totals on Friday. TechniQue1 the thing you have to keep an eye on is not just Test levels but estradiol levels also they go hand in hand so what 2500hd said is right. It's a fact when test levels rise so does estradiol. The body sees elevated test and being the perfect machine elevates estradiol to counter the test. Elevated estradiol is counter productive to your cycle.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/what-should-my-numbers-...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-and-counting-...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/estrogen-and-test
http://www.eroids.com/pics/updatedlab-reports-102-testosterone-how-to-pr...
Anonnicely done
Appreciate your post as it was informative. One thing though. The study says, "Treatment values represent the day 113 (week 16) values, obtained 1 wk after the previous testosterone injection." The people in the study had their blood drawn ONE WEEK AFTER THEIR LAST INJECTION, so their levels had time to taper downwards. If they would have gotten their blood drawn two days after their last injection, their levels would certainly have been significantly higher.
Corey your thinking is incorrect. On every medical study of test E blood is drawn 1 week after injection so that all the hormone is released. For every 100mg of test e, 72mg is actually testosterone.The rest is the weight of the ester which controls release time and has no anabolic effect. For 600mg of test E your getting 472mg of hormone are actual testosterone. At day 2 the hormone is not completely released so the numbers would be lower.
I definitely get what you are saying about not counting the prop that was injected earlier in the week.... but their are still people on similar doses that are testing much higher. Thanks for the links though... checking them out right now.
you might not count the steak you ate on monday, but if I ate a steak at 4pm and didn't take a shit yet at 8pm, I would consider the steak to be part of my body weight. Everyday pins and I pinned my last prop shot like 12 hours before the test and my last 110mg TNE shot 14 hours before the test? I will read through those links... but for other people running the same stuff, why are their numbers in the 5000 range? I am taking aromasin as well. I will admit, I'm still fairly new, and i'm not a doctor, nor do I pretend to know everything.... but I live on every aas forum page I can type into the bar when I'm not at work or the gym. Something still seems off. I don't think I should have to run that much test to see results especially with everyday pins. There isn't even time for my levels to dip. Like I said, I have faith in the source and they have been great with me, but I'll just say I'm glad that the batch testing is now a factor.
Because 1 guy is at 5000 doesn't mean you will be at 5000. Everyones body chemistry is different. For that one guy there are 10 who are in the 1800-2400 range. You don't have to pin that much juice to see results. Your problem and I've seen it many times is your estradiol is high simple as that. Go get tested. More body fat more aromatase enzyme. More aromatase more test conversion to estradiol. More estradiol less gains more sides. That's a fact.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/labs-dont-lie-hulk-body very similar testosterone numbers... only he's running eq which doesn't help keep test from aromatizing and increase free test like masteron does. His estro is high as shit too and not even close to being under control. I just can;t see two people running the same source and same test numbers plus me running masteron which if anything should help my numbers over his... and be so far apart. I understand body chemistry is different, but what;s happening to the test that i'm putting in my body. If I have no sides(blood pressure is better than it was off cycle, no acne, no hair loss, no bloating, no gyno... I'm prone to balding and none of my hair is falling out so I don't think its all being converted to DHT) Than seriously, where is it going? I must have a testosterone eating tumor... and as much as it's been eating, I should have a serious mass showing its ugly face soon enough. Will update with pictures once it surfaces. Would it help to let you know that my previous cycles my labs were higher on less test?
Doesn't masteron play an effect? 500mg a week would help keep estro in check as well as upping my free test levels. Estro and test can be high... Even though I have been taking aromasin. I'm not talking about gains... My even if my estro was high, test would be as well and though it may effect gains, how would it effect the test number? I'm just asking. No point in getting it checked now. I'm only running 200mg of test a week now and 300mg of tren and I only have 3 weeks left. And I have had no sides since week 5 before starting an AI.
UFOHold up...with the test e, prop and TNE combined arent you taking about 1500 of test per week? And your levels only came back at 2200? Somethin aint right you should be at 5000+ with that much test, or I read it wrong.
the tne varied as I didn't run it everyday. I started to in the beginning but my tolerance was going up fast and my supply was diminishing quickly. But the day before the test, I did a 110mg shot of tne at 4:45pm (15 hours before the blood was taken as I did my leg and shoulder workout that Monday before) as well as my daily cocktail of everything else that was injected at 9:45pm(10 hours before the test). Maybe I have a testosterone eating tumor that has no fat on it. I have no idea what the deal is with my level. I kinda hope it was under dosed. I was starting to think there was something wrong with me and it would be expensive being that this was like my 4th cycle to have to run that much test or more for gains, I was looking into insulin and hgh... but then again I plan to do it anyways eventually. At least the gh. Not sure if i'd be able to stay awake to eat what i need once the insulin started to hit me. I'd probably fall asleep, go hypo, and die.
I can't believe you didn't get your estrogen pulled? Are you taking any ancillirays?
absolutely. I started with arimidex but switched to aromasin. My bp was up for a while when my dose was increased but it came down. The day I got my blood done it was 110 over 60. Around weeks 5-7 I was hella bloated like the stay puff marshmallow man(to the point that everyone told me how fat and shitty I looked when I posted pics on here), but I got my aromasin dialed in pretty good now at 6.25mg a day. Bloat is gone, acne was gone but just started tren ace and dropped my test dose down to 200-250 a week. As of now I'm on that and 50mg tren ace a day and the acne looks like its about to hit hard.
1+ mate! I think members deserve a +5
For sharing bloods it really puts alot of ppls doubts at ease!
WeatherwedHow do these bloods put anyone at ease? If anything they freak me out because half my stash is hulk.
Idk. I suppose it does sound a bit off, but my entire cycle is Hulk. Check out my week 5 labs, levels were over 10x my normal.
WeatherwedYa it's off. My instinct tell me its a testing/time/dosage issue rather than a potency issue. This is the first sub par test ive seen on hulks gear on any board.
Everyday shots... I aced math... I know how to measure shit. So who knows... But I got results so I'm happy. My stash was bought a month before they started batch testing.
WeatherwedIn retrospect I shouldn't have posted on this thread. My words are only speculation and my intent was not to call you or the source into question. It's the coffee... give me a cup of coffee and I assume everyone wants my insight.
Good day bro!
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No worries. If its low, it is what it is. I will say that since I've delt with these guys, they have been great with any issue ive had. I'm sure if I bitched, they would go out of their way to make things right. I did get results so I'm happy. What can u do though. It came before the batch tests so if it was under im sure it wasn't intentional. I spent 600 bucks total. I got results either way. I can't my cycle over. If I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't have ordered. I have no ill feelings and won't hesitate to order again. I will have bloods done throughout every cycle from now on though. Poor planning on my part there.
Joosemannot trying to be a debby-downer here, but ive seen guys on TRT who have shot up to 1800's range at 200mg a week. every one is different, I get that.. you might be a freak case that its a little too low, or maybe you beat off that morning, got tested in evening when they were at the lowest.. but the thing is, that still doesn't explain why your levels are 4000-6000 below what I would consider standard given the bioavailable amount of test in your system.
I got them done at 740am last Tuesday. I had just got off midnight shift and hadn't eaten anything in 6 hours. I didn't beat off at work, tempting... But I didn't. My test was almost 18 hours after a 110mg tne shot, and my usual daily coctail of mast e, test e, and test prop...(.25ml of test e, .35 ml of mast e, and .5 ml of test prop)---everyday. Got in the habit of daily shots with sust at the beginning of my cycle. The gains weren't coming too fast the first 5 weeks, so I increased my dose... I didn't consider how much test I was running for a few weeks... But the gains were coming, so I left it alone. Dumb on my part for that... But this is 100% what I ran, my labs are 100%, my training has been on, and my diet has been on as well. The first few weeks I wasn't at six meals a day, only 4, but I had enough protein and calories to grow. Who knows.
Joosemanoh wow, thats even worse. Early AM 5-8 is when our test levels peak, which is where "morning wood" comes from.. bottom line is, your gear isn't what you think and expect it to be buddy. I mean, you aren't even in the ballpark.. hell you haven't even left for the baseball game yet. Right now you're considering yourself as "on cycle" but in all actuality you mine as well shut yourself down to just be running a TRT dose + some mast/misc items.
Early AM is when endogenous test levels peak. If you are administrating exogenous test and endogenous test is no longer being produced, then it doesn't matter what time of day you are getting your blood drawn; it only matters how recently your last shot was. 2200+ is still WAY above TRT levels (about 2.5x - 3x higher), so he was definitely still "on cycle", but his levels still should have been at least 3x higher considering he was taking in about 1.5 grams per week or so of test. Even if you factor out the TNE (which clears the body too fast to cause a buildup), he still was injecting nearly a gram of test per week and his levels should have easily been 5000+ ng/dL, so I don't know WTF. It makes me wonder because I am planning on running a very mild cycle using HL Test P and I don't want my levels TOO low.
1jakd_hipyYeah, that's super low, especially for a source that's number one
I like hulk, both banner and phoenix have been super cool to me and hooked me up, and I've seen other peoples labs and they were all good. Based on the community and customer service alone I would not hesitate to order again, But like I said, my stuff came before the whole batch testing shit started, so whatever. I didn't get bloodwork done right away, and even if I had, I switched from sust to test e after the first month so it woulda been a while anyways to see what my real levels were at as they would have fluctuated a bit. I can't start my cycle over and i'm sure as hell not gonna add another 12 weeks onto it.
1jakd_hipyI have no doubt they are decent dudes and from what I've seen of Phoenix he definitely is. However, I would rather a dickhead sell me good gear then a nice guy sell me crap. That's why I deal solely with badger even though he abuses me
You're pinning test E daily?
Yeah... if I'm gonna stick myself everyday for prop, I figure it would keep my levels as consistant as humanly possible to run pin my cocktail daily. When I ran sust for the first month, I could feel my levels rise and fall. One gym day awesome, next two were shit... even on dbol. So I took it up to eod... and even then eod my workouts were good or bad...then when my next pack hit, I wanted to do 50mg of prop a day so I figured I may as well just do everything daily to keep my levels up and also because I wanted some mast e in every shot as my pip was horrible without it.
If you're pinning Sust twice a week, I could understand the rise and fall the first month because of the short esters. After the long esters kick in that should stop. How many mg of test e do you pin daily?
I was pinning .25ml of test e, .35ml mast e, and .5ml of test prop. I was only pinning the sust the first month. I bought two vials of sust originally, but the first one had one of the old orange rubber stoppers in it and it was dry rotted, so I pinned one day and the stopper hole never closed. It got replaced with test e after I got tired of the rise and fall of my levels. So I guess if you want a solid mg number, .25 would be 75mg of test e, plus 50mg of test prop, and anywhere from 50 to 100mg of TNE if I used tne that day... and I used TNE a minimum of 4 days a week. Even at 50mg a day that would put my daily test intake at 175 mg and weekly at 1050mg.
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Sweet isn't it? My doc knows what I'm going but was still shocked at my levels. +1
I actually expected higher levels at the doses I was running, but no worries, there is more than enough showing in my body and the results are coming. Just switched to tren ace this week and lowered that test dose by 900mg...lol. What's nice about this is I found out that my work has an onsite lab that is free to use for all employees and they will test me whenever I want. The nurse assumed I was on juice before the test---which I denied--- because I don't want anyone at work knowing and despite HIPAA laws, most doctors and nurses leak shit out all the time. But I gotta say it was kinda funny telling her I needed tested because I thought I had low test and then when I picked up the paperwork today neither one of us could keep a straight face as she told me my numbers.... and as I told her that I would have to keep buying the same supplements... haha. But she was cool and offered to check everything else out whenever I wanted. I originally thought she was going to in the first place as I did want my estro numbers and lipid panel, but whatever. Thanks brother.
Joosemanthose test numbers should be at 5,000+ given the amount of test you're running brother. almost a gram shouldn't equal 2000. On other peoples gear ive seen people at almost 7000 on the same exact amount of test.
WeatherwedX2 perfectly stated. That's been my personal experience as reflected in my blood work.
That actually confuses me because if you were pinning nearly 1.5 grams of test per week, then shouldn't you have levels way above 2200 ng/dL? I mean shouldn't they be 6000 ng/dL+?
Lol, that's funny shit. I expected my levels to be about what yours were at week 5, but them shits were almost 5,000.
thanks to show this test! +1