pct and prolactin issues, ugh what to do now
ive been digging and digging and there is so much on here about it, but it seems that every post is addressed a little differently. heres what i got. i got my PCT late.(my fault) just started, im taking aromsin 25 e3d and my prami just came today, i also got letro. Im on test e 300mg/wk and nandrolone deca 250mg/wk had shot 5 yesterday, no issues at all that i noticed till today, so can it come on that fast? nipples sore to touch and a little leakage when i squeeze my left one, nothing out of right yet. so what should i do. as far as my pct protocol and to get it straight as quick as possible.
im sure i deserve a few verbal lashings. i caused this by not ordering when i shouldve. i really figured on a low dose deca im on it wouldnt be a big deal for a bit longer, at least till my PCT came. guess i was really wrong. i have done deca in the past, but i think its the age now that may be the tipping factor for the prolactin issues i did it in my 20's now im in my late 30's not such great rebound any more on the hormones. i could be really wrong though.
can someone give me a dosing protocol on everything. for current situation and also if there were no prolactin or gyno issues
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Aromasin half life is a day say you need to run that aromasin at 12.5-6.25mg every day (Estrogen acts as rocket fuel for prolactin so it's good to have both under control).. Caber or prami would be a biggy to use NOW.. deca should always be half of your test dosage or lower if you don't want nasty sides like this... If I were in your shoes I'd drop the deca and continue the test and wait for your prolactin inhibitors to come in and start taking those.. Finish the cycle without deca.. The reason I say don't drop everything is the crash from coming off test with elevated prolactin would make for a terrible experience for PCT.. By the end of the cycle you should have this back under control
Your PCT should look like
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25mg every day
Clomid 100/100/50/50mg take half the days dose every 12 hrs
Nolva 40/40/20/20mg or 20/20/10/10mg
caber .25/.25mg monday and thursdays.. or you can run it all the way through your pct for 4 weeks.. I personally just run caber the first two but your case may be different
Start your caber as soon as it's in your hands if your nips are already leaking
with clomid and nolva being the same class of drugs and working almost in the same way, why do both at the same time? this pct seems a lot to me, im taking aromsin for anti estrogen, and prami for prolactin, nolva and clomid would help with LH and getting my natural test back quicker, but essentially i am getting all the same results from the aromsin and prami, why add 2 more things, i am really in the dark on these matters so if you could explain it i would appreciate it. how and why they work and why taking all of them is the best option.
The aromasin controls estrogen conversion, the prami controls prolactin, but you need clomid and nolva to restore the function of your pituitary gland. When you have high amounts of estrogen, your pituitary stops sending luteneizing hormone to signal the testes to start producing testosterone.
aromasin and prami will not bring your test up once you are off cycle. only clomid and nolva can do that
thanks appreciate the answer. now i understand, but do i need both since they are nearly the same thing and work almost the same way?
i wont do caber cause of the heqrt issues it causes, just a choice. Im doing prami. but im curious as to when i should start the nolva and clomid on my PCT and can someone break down the 40/40/20/20 is that 40 first week 40 second week, 20 week, than last week 20 ? i have done nolva in the past and i just did 20 mg ed from last week of cycle for one month and i was sick as hell the whole time from it, constant nausea
You are correct the 40/40/20/20 dosage means 40mg ed the first two weeks and 20mg ed the last two weeks, if that dosage makes your sick you can do 20/20/10/10 but you need clomid with it.. the clomid will help your balls get back up and running.. You don't have to do aro but I find it helps a bit with estro during the crash and so do others
As for the heart valve issue your worrying about with caber.. that only happens to people who take extremely high doses of it.. 0.5-1mg a week is no where near what others take for parkinson's disease.. You won't get those heart valve problems running it low at .25mg monday thursday.. or at least I don't know a single person who has.. The only thing you should worry about with caber is it is faked a lot... Prami your going to have to tapper up on from a low dose and it could take several weeks for it to build up.
Yeah it can come on pretty quick. Your test to deca ratio is off. You're running very similar numbers of both which can cause issues in of itself. You're right that 250 mg/week is a pretty low dose of deca for most people, but obviously not you. We're all different and react differently to these compounds. You need to get on the prami now. I'm just confused by your pct talk. Are you stopping the cycle now to start pct? Also when you run your pct it should include clomid and nolva. Letro is not for pct. It's for reducing the effects of estro related sides. Are you having sexual sides? ED problems or anorgasmia? That's a solid tell take sign of prolactin build up. Milky nips generally gives it away as well.
im not stoping my cycle, ill stop the deca now. i am having prolactin issues. noticed a lil discharge from one nipple today, and the anorgasmia. no ED problems though. also noticed BP way down and my body odor has changed im pretty tired most of the time so im guessing my estrogen is off