+ 3 Anti Aromatase timing and dosing
I've been reading through dozens of posts on aromatase inhibitors and many of them vary in dosing as well as times for dosing. Of course, we know by trial and error what inhibitor works for us as well as it may not be the same for others. So lets sidestep a second and visit the doctors office. Say you go to the doctor and get a script for amoxicillin. He directs you to take X mgs every Xhours and he/she will warn you that even though you will feel great in X days, to continue dosing until all the pills are gone. The reason is to keep the medicine even in your bloodstream so its effects are level.
So now take that back to the use of adex(anastrozole) and aromasin(exmastane). Adex has a half life of 3-3.5 days and aromasin is roughly 27hours. This is where time of administration is important. You take your inhibitor and it suppresses aromatase but if you're taking it late or at improper doses the trouble just begins. Taking it late allows for the once controlled estrogen to begin its rise in your system. Remember your body is always breaking down testosterone into its usable forms as well as forms we are trying to control. Now the inhibitor not only has to suppress this rise in estrogen but you'll realize there's side effects to hormonal peaks and valleys. For the same reason, many forums address proper injection times for steroids. Since everybody is different the common starting dosage for adex is .25mg every third day. Since there's not a significant androgen buildup til weeks 4-6, that dose for many is a safe bet. But as with all medications, as androgens buildup there's more conversion. Conversion does not stop. So changing the timing of adex dosing to .25 every other day may be needed. I like starting adex at the long end(.25 third day) on week 2 for a long ester cycle but with a bump-start of test prop or dbol then I start end of week 1 and adjust as necessary. Aromasin with the short half life of 27 hours requires daily dosing to avoid hormonal rise and fall. Keeping it level as well. I like to use my aromasin at 6.75 every day starting around week 3. As androgen buildup occurs around weeks 4-6 then I simply adjust my dose to 12.5 every day. If I bump-start with test prop or db I start at the end of week 1.
With either drug listening to your body is the important detail on adjusting. Blood tests taken at week 6 will allow fine tuning of your aromatase inhibitors which, will allow for not only better growth but many times, less sides.
Now lets take a minute and look at estrogen rebound. I've seen it mulled over on varied posts as well. During cycles you use your adex up til post cycle therapy. During the therapy its well versed to combine clomid and nolva. Now the bro-science will tell you there's no rebound in estrogen as the adex is removed. But don't forget two main items here, the Nolva and blood tests. Its standard procedure to submit blood a month after your cycle to readily see if you're recovering. But without taking blood in the second week of therapy we really do not know whether YOUR body has shown a rebound effect or not. But during the post cycle therapy phase, nolva is blocking your breast tissue. You're emotional, blues, agitated, and other symptoms of therapy and each person recovers differently. We typically wont know til after therapy stops and high estrogen side effects are kicking our butts and/or that blood test a month later. One thing we do know however is that aromasin is a suicide inhibitor. We know from prior postings that it holds onto that estrogen until its expelled from the body and there's no rebound effect.
Which, brings me to two conclusions which are switching to aromasin during cycle or using aromasin after adex is discontinued.
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Adex is better for on cycle because the ease of dosing and it doesn't slam your estrogen to the ground.
Aromasin is good for pct due to the binding to the AE. Estrogen rebound however only happens when testosterone levels are extremely high and estrogen levels are completely tanked basically at 0. The estrogen has to be extremely low for a LONG time for estrogen rebound to happen.
scootertrampIve used both and haven't had tanked estro.. Even at 12.5 daily with aromasin. You're very correct in that one needs to listen to their body and know the signs of low estrogen. Blood testing is the only solid way to know. I read through the bloodtests posted and found several guys not needing an AI at all. But there's also a few postings of guys not responding to adex.
Half life is half life. Test prop is completely dead in 48 hours. So to keep from the high and lows its best to dose at Half the life which is daily. It helps alleviate the sides..
Main idea of the article is following the timelines and listening to your body. If 12.5 daily is too much for your body then move it to 6.75 daily. It still follows time and half life. If adex is too strong at .25 eod then back it down to .25e3d.
Control of estradiol is DIRECTLY linked to AI control.
There's a flaw in this though. Sure aromasin's half life is 27hrs but its ACTIVE LIFE is days. So ED dosing is NOT necessary. What I mean is even tho the 27hr half life it still supresses estrogen after the half life.
HALF LIFE means there is still HALF of the compound active.
Stable levels is BS when it comes to this stuff because its possible to dose aromasin at 1 cap per 3 days and have STABLE estrogen levels. Even if the Aromasin levels are not "stable"
Were trying to control our estrogen not our aromasin. Does that make sense?
reading some of this below...I take my AI's in the evening. Here is my philosophy:
Your natty test levels are at their peak in the AM and your estro levels are at the highest in the PM, so might as well continue on the same pathway even if I am shutdown. SO when the time comes to 'come off' cycle, I believe it is easier to adjust that way.
scootertrampLike the thinking. Figuring out your body, build a plan, and execute the plan. Whether morning or night as your preference, keeping those timelines correct sure makes life easier. .
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I've been taking my Aromasin before bed, but now I'm going to take it in the morning from here on out. It makes more sense anyway, since I take the bulk of my dbol and adrol in the morning.
AnonIm not sure but when he said "take it late" I dont think he meant at night. I think it means late as in every day or every other day and then missing a dose. Maybe Scooter can clarify though
scootertrampCorrect sir. Meant late in every third day on the adex, then adjust as necessary. With the strength and conversion of morning orals it would do just as well taken in the morning. Basically, keep on your timelines for dosing so the inhibitor stays level. Taking aromatase inhibitors half a day late can allow a small climb in estro..
Anonthat's good stuff, bro
scootertrampThank you! It's will hopefully keep us from having the nasty sides. Even acne will hit me if I'm not timing correctly.
AnonGreat stuff, you really put some time in to that.
scootertrampI've been thinking about the wording for the last three days. Then sit down to type and draw a blank. Haha!
A well written article. To add upon your post, i've developed a dosing protocol for AI + PCT compounds which also consider timing and reasons why i personally dose my AI/PCT compounds at these times.
Here's when I dose;
-AI's > Aromasin: In the Morning
-PCT > Clomid: Throughout the day
-PCT > Nolva: At Night
Why:
Free testosterone has reached a peak in the late morning until around mid-day when the sun has risen, this is why you wake up with 'morning wood'); so to capitalise upon the daily peaks in your free testosterone, I dose my aromasin in the morning. This will prevent any peaks in my estrogen throughout the day (since its half life is ~27 hours) and it will also further increase the amount of free testosterone in my system, since aromasin removes the binded testosterone from your sex hormone binging globulin (SHBG).
I dose my clomid throughout the day, because clomid is highly surpressive, it gets me emotional if i take a high dose all at once. Also i want to keep my blood levels as stable as possible to prevent any further sides.
My nolvadex dose is taken before i go to bed at night, since this is when estrogen is peaked in the human body. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so while im sleeping, the estrogen is under control, which also aids my testosterone peaks the next morning.
I would agree on part of this. Sometimes we get "wood" in the morning from having to
take a leak ... (not just wanting to jump something).
scootertrampFully agree! For me using the morning/night split alleviates the low estro sides. I found myself crunchy/poppy if i used both aromasin and nolva in the mornings. Very Nice addition!