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Utilizing long and short esters of the same compound????
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I recently started my first contest prep and wanted to utilize certain compounds such as tren for 10-12 weeks i like tren ace much better than tren e but am not too keen on every day pinning for 3 months due to scar tissue buildup etc. how do you all feel about running a compound like tren e at 500 mg per week for weeks 12-8, dropping to 250 mg per week then adding in tren ace at week 6 while keeping the tren e at 250 mg/week? Is this over kill??
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Run tren ace ed injects with slin pins. Or 27g. If you must, run the tren e but I would definitely run the ace over it anyday. And at that point I would probably run the tren e to week 6 then swap out for the ace and blast the fuck out of the tren for the rest of prep.
Thats exactly my plan brother longs r gone at week 6 then blast the fuck outta the quickies
tread-mIf you must, this is a kick and taper ace. I would roll this short the whole ride but I don't kno your pin experience. I hit almost daily for 3 years, scar tissue only begins if I'm say hitting delts eod such as right now I have felt it last 2 pops both delts so I'll go to 6 site roll and it will clear. If you will roll 6 sites always I don't think you have any scar tissue if like myself. If the scar tissue is your only issue then there it is for me, ed no comparison. Too much flexibility and can adapt and make changes if needed. I see the concern on blood plasma levels below and in cycle outside cruise I will roll a long test stabilizer and continue my prop as the primary. Same can be done with your ace/e "if you feel necessary but I don't. " whatever you cjoose I'm away from longs 5 weeks out and getting back under the quick control of the close.
I definitely like the control of the quick esters much more as well as the dry hard quality my body takes on i was planning on implementing them 6 weeks out there are a couple of reasons i didnt want to run the short esters for that amount of time
1. $- the long esters r a higher mg which means ill get a little more bang for the buck as far as being able to stay at a higher mg for longer. Im sure we all know how expensive this type of lifestyle can be so i have to cut costs where i can because, when it comes to gear, i have champagne tastes on a beer budget! The primo ace and anavar im using would pay the bills for a couple months lol
2. There are several places in my body that take oil very well, other places not so much!! My quads, glutes and delts are gtg but do get a little sore in a six site rotation after a couple months. Places such as bis and tris dont take oil well!! They will swell up, look infected, and be very uncomfortable so, i thought utilizing this sort of long, gradual taper would help to remedy these issues.
My only concern was the blood plasma levels but, i guess ill just have to try it and see how my body reacts! Being my first show i guess a lot of this will be trial and error for me because there are a few things that ive never done before. Ive never run a cycle like this. Ive never had my carbs so low etc etc. i really appreciate everyone's help and will definitely keep you all posted! When i get time ill try to throw up my whole run in the cycle log section. Plz keep in mind im new to this and am here to learn lol take it easy on me
It isn't over kill per se but what you don't want to happen is to lose momentum in your cycle by dropping the tren e dosage and adding tren a .. you have to consider the half lifes and rethink how you calculate weekly totals as shorter esters don't count the same way as longer esters do....
Also, I think you may want to consider the value in switching things up mid cyle with different short esters and keeping your base the same .. the body is highly adaptable and while we strive for stability, stability also brings adaptation which means your body is NOT responding with growth and change.
Yes i see exactly what youre saying here i tend to overthink things especially where this competition is concerned so i think the general consensus is to continue the long esters through the show my nxt question is should i discontinue long esters two weeks out or run them straight through?? Im sorry im just very new to the competition scene
you'll turn everything over to short esters some weeks out from the show.. you have to consider that you want to be dry and hard at that point .. anything that might be conducive to water retention is discontinued... what does your coach want you to do?
Honestly he is very good with diet and training but ive been educating him about gear somewhat i felt the thing to do was use the short esters as a sort of taper and ill obviously be dropping the test 10-14 days out i just felt that using the long esters would enable me to utilize the compounds i wanted for the maximum amount of time while reducing the number of pins and being more cost effective!!
im confused as to your post and the weeks your talking about? maybe a misprint?
Im referring to starting tren e 12 weeks out at 500 mg/week dropping the dose to 250 mg/ week tren e at 8 weeks out and adding tren ace at 6 weeks out at 50 mg ed then running both esters through the competition i was contemplating this to avoid 10-12 weeks of pinning tren ace every day
ok gotcha! So if your already running tren-e why not just run it straight through? it would be more stable then trying to run them both!
Yes this was my question exactly i probably shouldve worded it better sry i was just curious because i always viewed tren e as more of a bulker but its done amazing leaning me out so far i shouldve known that diet dictates all thank you for the help
Anoni agree with noid here. i think stability is key. i like stacking short with long esters for two purposes:
1) getting plasma levels to an active point faster (kicker)
2) stabilizing plasma levels at the end of the cycle to avoid a sudden drop (taper)
I've never done it that way but I use Kickers for most long ester runs. Bold A for Eq, prop for test E etc. Some do this at the tail end as well but I personally have no experience doing this. I'm sure when this group gets situated ,someone will come and help you out with some insight
phil113kgGetting ready for a show calls for a different view on how how a cycle is managed. Changing long esters for the shorter is done for the purpose of loosing the water retention due to the effects of estrogen done by the longer esters i.e Test E & C verses P. Just that change alone yields massive results in the appearance.
Sure im in no rush i was jus curious as to everyones opinions on this i dont plan on using this method often as my coach wants me to do three shows this year and im planning on maintaining my condition