Rotating pin sites with major PIP: Test Prop into delts
Sup roiders,
Week 1 complete of my first real cycle. Test Prop 100mg EOD for Weeks 1-4 and Test E 500mg pw (pinned Mon and Thu) for 12 weeks.
As you guys probably have seen from my other posts due to idiotic pinning techniques I have had some insane PIP issues as a noob. I have now pinned my glutes once each, my right quad once, both my delts once. I do not want to pin my quads again - it was too crippling and I need to be mobile for my day job. I will pin them last resort only and only if it happens to fall on a Fri or weekend (even then....).
My question: how many days should I wait until I re-pin an injection site? Do I wait until the pain is completely gone or can I safely wait 1-2 days and pin again. I know eventually my muscles will get used to it and the PIP will subside.
I was thinking of the following rotation for Week 2 and onwards:
(Pinned Prop 1ml into my left delt last night)
Thu: Test E 1ml right glute
Fri: Test Prop 1ml right delt
Sun: Test Prop 1ml left delt
Mon: Test E 1ml left glute
Tue: Test Prop 1ml into right delt
Wed: No PIN
Thu: Test Prop 1ml and Test E 1ml mixed and pinned to right glute
Fri: NO PIN
Sat: Test prop 1ml to my left delt
etc.
You can see I'm avoiding my quads like the plague. How are my Test Prop rotations - do you think my delts are OK to be pinned that frequently. They tend to be sore from the prop for at least 4 days :(
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Well sir if it were me I would not pin that many times a week u no u can mix the test prop an test e I would brake it down were I could do it eod like a quarter mg test e along with your prop it should. Be smoother less pip give it a try that what I am going to do my next cycle witch is test e prop an eq
Rustyhooker8 months old. Lol.
haha still solid advice. thanks! I only cycle once a year so still relevant
Yea sounds like its the oil. Try a different lab
heat the oil under scalding water. you will thank me later
I checked your forums and pics.
1-pin sizes
2-heating
3-inj technique full detail
4-all oils same base? Eo?? Cottonseed?
1- 25g 1" used all around: glutes, delts quads
2- yes been heating the oils - soaking vials in heated bowl of water and also blow drying syringe barrel once loaded - I know overkill, but PIP has been that bad.
3- I put my iPhone down now, start the timer and make sure 1ml takes no less than 1.5min to inject. It's ridiculous, but it stops me from panicking and pushing that stuff through too quickly (my first impulse)
4- not sure bro, can I name the lab here that makes the prop and the lab that makes my Test E?
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Glutes.....i got fatty ass. 1 1/2 in pin. If you get between fat n muscles....that fkn hurts! Sounds like you're hitting it correct. One last thing helps a lil....point needle at ceiling to squeeze just a single drop oil to lube needle. That can help. Sounds really like the oil or solvent is just not agreeable to you. Some guys the eo gives problems. Me the grapeseed makes me itch at site about five mins. But i also have allergies to trees/plants so it figures. No such thing as overkill bro. Research those oils....next cycle try a different base oil. If your pux are your ones being used sounds like body doesnt like it.
Thanks fast I'll ask the labs exactly what they are using... thanks bro.
I was hoping it was a simple slow the injects or heat oil issue. Sorry bro :(
I'm confirming with the labs if its Ethyl Oleate or Cottonseed Oil etc. I am worried that I have an allergy to something. I haven't felt well at all - and its more than the flu (cos it keeps coming on and off after I PIN). I'm pretty sure I am recovered from the TEST FLU itself - which was last weekend. But every time I PIN the prop I feel like sh#t the next day. And the PIP is INSANE! My left delt had 1ml prop in it 2 days ago and is crazy sore.
I quad prop and multi pin quads in six point rotation. No pip. Sounds like you got high pip gear. The high pip is good for glutes.. Sucks hearing when gear hurts.
No PIP on prop!? Fas48 you're a fucking beast - your quads must be the size of barrels and must have been pinned so many times they crave it lol.
Yeh I think it might be the oil, but don't wnt to name the supplier here cos its unfair given my virgin muscles. Too bad the prop kick period will end shortly, just when my muscles start getting used to being pinned.
The no pip prop was grapeseed/eo mix. Cottonseed is uber gentle no pip the way pharmacies make it. Every body has different reactions though.
56tooPin the long esters in your quads and save the prop for delts or glutes also look into the ventro glute, I really like pinning there as it seems there are barely if any nerves to hit
Did the ventro glute on Mon 56too... it was MUCH better. Can sit and lie on my back much more comfortable. Still hurts like a MOFO when I do cardio - but more bearable that the glute I hit lower previously.
I'd stay away from prop quad pins. I rarely suffer with pip, but that's a sure fire way to walking like John Wayne for me.
check my other posts bro - my virgin prop pin was on my right virgin quad. I woke up and thought some mutay boxer had been smashing my thigh for 12 hours, undefended. LOL HAHAHAHA I swear I'd rather bleed that feel that PIP again.
I can almost feel that one mate. Guess you learnt from it though eh?
AnonHows the pip off the test e. If its ok keep ur quads for test e and pin prop in glutes and delts. Im the same my glutes dont like prop so I only pin them with test e
PIP from TEST E not sure man - it was still pretty bad on my right glute 1ml by itself - but it was the virgin shot and I didn't heat the oil and I didn't do it slow enough. I will know more this coming week as my technique has improved heaps. Not to mention heating pad is now my best friend.
I wonder if Prop overtime becomes butter smooth for the veterans?
I usually pin shorts in the pm and longs in the am with staggered rotation and have never had a problem
...yeah, prop in the quad isn't the best idea LOL
I'm doing a similar cycle, have you thought about splitting your test e into 4x125mg injections? You could pin with the prop then so you only have 4 pins a week to do.
could be a good solution... however I wonder if my levels will remain stable for the longer ester. I assume more frequent injections of longer ester have no bearing on staying even (I assume only pinning LESS frequently will adversely affect staying balanced).
This is the type of suggestion I was looking for btw thanks my man.
How is your PIP btw? Are you pinning Glutes and Delts?
My pip sucks ass lol, using quads, glutes and delts (have yet to pin delts...)
I would split the test e, I was in the same situation as you and didn't fancy pinning 1ml 3 days in a row or sometimes 2ml on a single day (didn't want to waste injection sites)
when combining short and long esters, I ALWAYS will break the long ester into small shots to accompany the short. when using tren a or test p or mast p or npp, i find that using a day to only inject my long estered base is essentially wasting an injection site for the week.. hope that helps brother.. good luck
or just work with your test inject schedule to time the 1ml test e shots with 1ml prop shots twice during the week... don't be worried about going over 1ml per inject. 2ml in the delt is completely fine
thanks bro... 2ml in my delts fark you just made me shiver like a bitch HAHAHA