posted Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:58
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Nips be itchin again! (tren + nolva question)
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Running test/tren/mast right now, 100mg/day for each. Starting to get some slight pain the 'ol nips today. In the absence of tren I would just pop 20mg of nolva on top of my existing AI (ldex, .5ml ED). However there is strong debate as to wether nolva with tren will promote prolactin sides. Given the doses I am taking I would rather not risk that. I do have prami on hand, but I want to avoid taking it if possible due to its own sides.
So 2 questions:
1) what should I take besides nolva for the itchy nips? I don't think I want to up the AI dose, but open to the idea.
2) or should I just start the (fucking) prami in case it is prolactin related itchiness... Which it likely isn't as it is generally more rare
Thanks guys!
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Honestly nolvadex and arimidex are not going to do anything what-so-ever for prolactin induced gyno.
I would stay at that dose(assuming you mean .5mg) But the fact that you put .5ml makes me assume that you'e probably taking a liquid research chemical Arimidex. Just make sure that you have legit Arimidex, and if the symptoms don't subside, I would definitely hop on the Prami. Caber has worked much better for me, but since you already have Prami on hand go with that. Don't be afraid to use it either, remember, gyno is typically for life unless you get it removed.
Cheers for the reply mate. Just got everything squared away these last few days. The gyno was indeed prolactin induced.
The symptoms were persistent even though I had been taking .5ml of Liquidex (research chem as you assumed), and 40mg nolva. So I started the Prami (research chem as well) at .5ml just before going to sleep. Within 2-3 days pain was gone and gyno started shrinking.... just about gone now.
I was lucky, nipped it just in time. It was totally my fault though. My first time running such high doses, but completely neglected adjusting up the gyno meds as well. tsk tsk... live and learn.
Thanks again! Your post was a big help!
Just an update... I bumped the AI dose up to1 and have been running it for a few days, I also started on 20mg nolva ED and hitting damn prami E3D at night. All that seems to have done the trick. My right nipple is fine, my left is still a little sensitive where there is a small growth going on... but it is getting less sensitive.
I am going to keep the cycle going at my original dose. I would prefer to stop using the nolva, but I am going to keep using it until I am sure the sensitivity is all gone. If the combination of nolva, prami, AI and mast cant prevent further flare ups... I dont know what the hell else woud haha.
Just poking around online, little tibit of info I was able to dig up.
"Tamoxifen is a mixed ER agonist/antagonist.
In some tissues, such as the endometrium (uterus), upregulation of the PgR would be expected, as the endometrium is very sensitive to estrogen. This is where there is confusion.
In other tissues, such as the breast, Tamoxifen is an antagonist (blocks the ER). The progesterone receptor is synthesized in response to estrogen. So when the ER is blocked (in breast tissue), the progesterone receptor will also down regulate. This is what happens in cancer patients and were no different.
I hope that clears the confusion becuase you will NOT find a study stating Tamoxifen up regulates the progesterone receptor in breast tissue anywhere.
Therefore, Tamoxifen will help reduce gyno when using Tren or Deca , not make it worse."
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Thanks for replying mate.
I have run a good number of cycles now... I usually switch between a test only run, and test/tren/mast run for mild bulking. Last time I ran 75/75/75 with no issues. I was able to get a deal on my gear this time and wanted to try and up it a little.
I am going to bump it up to 1 right away until the sensitivity goes down, then I will slowly ramp back down to .75 or .5. I'll give it another week like this... if 1 doesn't kill it, I will back off the dosages to 75mg/ED.
Thanks again!