posted Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:18
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First real cycle please review and give advice
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Please review and give opinions
Stats 23 5'10 180lbs 15% body fat yes i know in young
Weeks 1-10 test e 400mg/ week 200mg monday and thursday
weeks 6-10 masteron e 400mg/week 200 mg monday and thursday
.25mg arimidex everyday for the whole cycle
250iu hcg sunday and wednesday for the whole cycle
PCT
2 weeks from last injection
Clomid 50mg/day 4 weeks
nolvadex 20mg/day 4 weeks
week after pct is completed hcgenerate everyday until the bottle is finished
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tread-m2 statements struck me as I read through your entire thread here and specifically looked into your words along with allk the advice to you. "I eat great" and "not looking to bulk up at all".
So I guess let me stab the "I eat great" comment first. Great for what? 15% BF? Yes,that's what you eat great for. So this is the time someone will post up their diet to prove they eat great and it usually means one of 2 things. That's the diet they wish they were eating or they are actually eating it and its not the diet for them. You mention plateau and that word means little more than "I need to change something or change everything. Change and confusion is how you avoid plateau and that means changes in gym and kitchen.
Ok let me hit the mkost important thing here to me which I had in mind that you are 23 the whole read, not a deal breaker but these words jumped out as I read and had all the other factors in the back of my head, "not looking to bulk up at all". So in my view the test only cycle is of no need here. Your natty test is verry good today so simply adapt the diet you will need after the cycle anyway which is the diet you will need on cycle along with your hard work and it all happens for you. Its silly to me to run test to not bulk at 23 yrs old when you can not run test and not bulk and everyone knows, diet controls the bf so a higher than normal test count does not benefit the vgery goals you mention yourself.
I would love to help break your "plateau's" with you but just running a test cy,le is not the answer. Nolw you m.ay come back and say it was later and fail to mention, "oh yeah, I worked out harder, really dialed in my diet much better than the diet I achieved 15% bf on and really just started living towars my goal. So my solution is adapt to your goal now in the way you would if running a cycle and you will achieve in the same 12 weeks you would run test. Your natty is likely awsome brother, , you change the diet. With some carb manipulatin and alternate training styles to add the confusion and 8n 12 weeks you make mega changes and realize the only reaL plateau was your thinking.
zewigood stuff!!!
zewiEverything looks good. However, i would stay away from hcgenerate, i really don't think it will benefit you—IMO I think it would hurt you instead of help you, if studies are correct with hcgenerate you will also have extra estrogen floating around also, so you got some sides there some bloating and things of that nature. Time on = time off. If you do take the hcgenerate I would take some Arimidex maybe .25mg e3d or E2d jut to be safe.
Also make sure your Diet is in check sound to me you really want to get that BF down and put on some good weight. If I were you this is how I would roll.
Cycle 1
1-12 Diet,Deit,Diet Gym Gym Gym –get your body working at its beak
12-24 Test E @500mg a week (Monday/Thursday)
Arimidex .25mg ED(is fine) to keep bloating and estrogen in check
If you have HCG 500iu a week
PCT 15 days after last shot take Arimidex up until you start PCT.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
Now 3 months off Diet Diet Diet, Gym Gym
Cycle 2—Now that your body’s BF is down Masterone will make you look like a beast as long as your diet stays in check.(this will cut you up add some strength—not a major mass builder—if you want mass well that’s a different cycle)
1-10 Test E @ 250mg a week (Monday/Thursday)
6-11 Masteron @ 400mg a week (Monday/Thursday)
Arimidex .25mg ED(is fine) to keep bloating and estrogen in check
If you have HCG 500iu a week
PCT 15 days after last shot take Arimidex up until you start PCT.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nova 40/40/20/20
You will be beastly in a few months.
So everything looks good to yall how i have it except for the clomid/nolva doses? I may go 100/50/50/50 40/20/20/20 would that be ok? I read combining both will allow you to lower doses but thats the thing all i have done is researched so if yall think differently i will gladly adjust to what you experienced users suggest thanks for yalls time and advice much appreciated
Community.......forums.....pct....... tons of answers to help
Was going to go with 250mg test per week but decided if in going to shut down i should go hard or go home at the same time though i dont want to go too high so i can keep the sides down
I will be using real hcg on cycle with the adex also have letro just in case or extra nolvadex if estro gets that bad the hcgenerate is for after EVERYTHING is done including pct just wanted to try it out but i dont want to use it on cycle or during pct so my testes can come back on their own also read that its a waste and can actually be harmful usin natty test booster on cycle or in pct
I do eat great with lean meats and only complex carbs from mosty vegetables and have seen great results from that but i plateaued and just wanted to try it out i dont plan on cycling much and abusing it just wanted to try it out and see where that gets me a push through this plateau my goal is to gain some lean muscle drop body fat hence the masteron not lookin to bulk up at all just quality muscle i forgot to add that i also will be taking optimen multi 3 daily 5 mg fish oil 5 mg milk thistle liv 52 double strength regular dose scivation xtend aminos 2 serving per day 2500-3000 cal diet and massive amounts of cardio i ride a mountain bike 16 miles daily in an hour give or take a few minutes and use a regular 5 day split sometimes skip legs or bike ride a to not over train legs thank u all for the advice and opinions i know i am young but i am taking every precaution possible also hit puberty at 11 believe it or not and quit growing at about 17 so although im not completely done i have to be close to it
Sweet! You'll do great!
I've heard of minimim cycle 8 weeks max 16 so i kind of went in the middle with that i understand low estro is bad but the usual dose adex is usually .5mg eod so .25mg everyday would still be the same dose really and the hcgenerate is just natty test booster some people just use that during cycle but i dont think thats a good idea its similar hcg in that it helps with testicular atrophy also significantly increases libido check it out its pretty expensive though but i rather pay the money instead of my body paying for it also wanted to combine the nolva and clomid so i could keep doses low and hopefully avoid the sides but i may increase for the first week then drop thanks for ur opinion too homie
Adex if its good and you're running it .50 your gonna get painful joints fast. If the hcgregenerate is actually hcg....hcg turns easily into estrogen which is why its run on cycle with your ai.
Good luck....grow well!
Ah I would take tha clomid to 100mg for tha 1st two wks, as well as the nova to 40 mg for the 1st two wks and then drop them in half , what are you looking for in this cycle being your first?
Test for 12Weeks. Clomid 100...100...40....40. Nolva 40...40...20...20. Adex every other day. Low estro bad as well.
Dunno bout hcg regenerate.
500Mg split. No masteron
Yea I was about to say I wouldn't add the mast this cycle
Also at his height/weight he should be hitting up a food guru.....not steroids. Guru diet his way to 200 natty by xmas then blastoff. Folks don't wanna get beast in the food first....:(
True bro, I would eat great for just one month and see how ur body reacts, u might be happy with that before pinning gear