posted Wed, 11/05/2014 - 18:34
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I am in week 4 of PCT of 100mg climid ed and 20 nova ed.
It appears the climid is fake because LH and FSH are not fully stimulated and my test levels are low as hell. So my question is should I order more PCT or go in to the doctor for TRT? Thanks!
Stats:
Age: 25
Weight: 210
BF%: 12%
Ordered from:
- Bookmark
- 6
- 0
I sent few emails to BIG A owner of www.professionalmuscle.com. He is one guy I trust ( you can see his pictures on www.synthetek.com, he is IFBB PRO ). Here I paste the conversation with him. I think is better you post there and write you post on my behalf and he will help you what to do now
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ASSUMING he is real, and not bullshit test, it looks like he got shut down hard and he is not functioning correctly yet.
yes, his test is very low (non existant almost) but it's not the fault of the drugs. The drugs are already stimulating FSH/LH, even though low, still within normal levels. But his test levels are almost non existant, despite functioning, normal FSH/LH levels. That means his body is not working yet. Nothing wrong with the drugs.
Someone like him that gets shut down so hard, needs to stay on PCT thoughout a cycle - either HCG every 4 weeks or Clomid daily.
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I will ask him now what you can do to recover but next cycle do HCG during cycle ( me personally I do the same he told me that is safest for me )
I think now you can inject some HCG but if you want to try only tablets of another brand we can send another brand that we can buy from a pharmacy. But probably there are not the drugs like BIG A say.
We can throw for you some HCG to put you back on track I think tablets only will not help you. In the future use HCG during the cycle
I appreciate the responses so far. I think the lesson here is always have a backup brand for PCT and AI meds just in case one brand may not work for you. This is something I have always done in the past. Unfortunately I overlooked it this time around. Lesson learned...
Nice blood report.
Solid custy service for ashop to offer some hcg...
Honestly Ive ran into the same issue and for me atleast running a low dose of GH makes me feel ALOT better. I feel like my body bounces back faster with the GH then without it. Maybe that could help you out cause i know that crash is killer and its hard to maintain while feeling like that.
Very important. What was your cycle and how long ago you done last injection ? Please answer this
I always take the proper time off between cycles. My last one was 10 weeks Test Prop and Mast Prop.
so your last injection was 10 weeks ago with test prop and mast prop ?
My last inject was OCT 5th. I started PCT 3 days later.
Thats good. You proceeded good
Last cycle clearly means cycle before the current one. Someone who has ran gear for 10 straight years can take clomid and still produce lh...doesn't mean that they will produce test please offer a viable explanation as to why he took it for 4 weeks and has a negligible increase...especially at his age
So for current cycle. When he injected last time test ? Time between last injection and when he started PCT
Now everyone is on the same page
why don't you read the comments you will find your answer....It does not matter you will blame these numbers on something else
Did you got from us ? Send me your order number to check please. I do not suspect our products but sure if you our customer we will send you some HCG to bring levels to normal. Even products are good it can happpen your boys got hit hard and will recover harder.
I think the issue is here is that we take clomid for lh/fsh production. Even in an instance of hypogonadism high levels of lh are present as the body tries to regain homeostasis. It sees that endo test levels are still low and produces/releases more lh to bring that up to a normal level. Obviously at this point the body isn't producing test as it should but this doesn't stop lh levels from rising. At 4 weeks of use I would presume that lh levels would be on the high side of the limits if not elevated. I'm not being accusatory by any means and I don't know this person other than the forum. I know balkan is good but is it possible that your supplier could be sitting on counterfeits without knowing it?
That's the case with a lot of counterfeiting IMO. I'm sure many of the workers who print/engrave or have knowledge of the latest batch and lot numbers on a product wouldn't mind passing it off for the right price to a supplier/source. Not blaming Alin because I'm sure many sources get fucked that way.
Yea, but Alin is in the same country as the manufacturer, so that's hard to believe.
Yes it obviously say's he bought from you
Like informations: products like CLOMID, NOLVADEX ...BP is selling this to government hospitals so you can be sure that products are good. Sure we will help you as customer but products are out of any question.
I paste here informations where you can see BP sell products to hospitals:
Home » Licitaţii » Rezultatele licitaţiilor
Here you can find companies that are producing for real drugs and selling their drugs to the hospitals in the country. Look for LICITATION results , this is very important to see if company is real
Rezultatul licitaţiei nr.1608/13 din 20.11.2013
( for 2014 the big LICITATION is in september 2013 . Other small licitation are just for small needs . )
http://amed.md/tc_userfiles/file/Licitatii/Rezultate%20licitatiilor/Cast...
Download the lists in XLS and check the lists for drugs name and company name and see which drugs they sold to the government ( more complicated drugs better the company. So for example if they sold only tablets company is small if they sold aqueous injectable in sizes bigger than 10 ml the company is the best )
+1 for bloods
Get some HCG bro bring those boys back and those natural numbers up.
Yeah I ordered some but it may be a couple weeks before it arrives. Im going to pin up some test prop until then. I don't think I could wait that long with these numbers.. I feel like I am dying..
rocketballzI don't know where you live but there is a domestic source who has HCG in stock and you can get it in 3-4 days max. PM if you want more info.
No!! Don't pin anything! If you want to save your nuts you better get your head on straight.
also invest in some D aspartic acid at 3.2 grams a day
MeinuntergangThat's the scariest test number I've seen. How are you doing psychologically?
Yeah I was pretty shocked at how low it was. So far just felt really weak.
Obviously your PCT meds are bunk. But just out of curiosity what was your last cycle and how long did you run? Even without PCT meds one would think you would be in better shape than you are. Regardless get the good clomid and Nolva and try again.
Have you done any other drugs or anabolic's at all while you were on PCT?
The only other thing I've taken on Pct is 200mcg of Ipam every night. My last cycle was 10 weeks of test p and mast p.
You may be one of the guy's who does not recover or your pct clomid nolva was bunk and if it was balkan I can hear the fan boys now Making excuses for this "PHARMA" brand.....Sorry brotha dont give up maybe get some hcg and REAL PHARMA pct
Trapsquatch you are Angus agent ? Each time when a guy post something you come stirring up the shit. I think mods should look after you. Why are you all the time attacking me?
Do you know if this guy had correct cycle or or correct break between cycles? He has worse numbers if he has no PCT at all so I think he had cycles to close or something. Let me deal with my customers do not come stirring up shit. Are you he other guy with OMEGA handle that was banned not long ago I assume ?
Assuming makes You look like an ass Especially when your wrong
LennyAngus must have agents everywhere. http://www.eroids.com/pics/labmax-test-balkan-test-c-not-too-sure.
Look what I find on a quick search on LabMax:
http://www.anabolicsteroidforums.com/showthread.php/23431-Labmax-Anavar-...
"Total waste of money but you bought the kit so too late now.
I have heard from some people Anavar tests positive for Winstrol."
"I tried these kits before I tested the same Anavar 3 times , First time it came up as d bol , second it came up as Anavar and third time it came up as Winny. With that being said I would never buy these tests again."
Yes it was from Balkan. I'll pick up some more PCT. Thanks for your input
Yea bro some hcg In my opinion would really help your situation,Yeah balkan doesn't Hold a Candle to watson pfizer etc and that is a Fact.... if Indeed you pct was bunk
Could there be any other explanation for these numbers? Other than fake meds
Disclaimer I am no Pct expert But you might be one of the guys who's body does not recover,or your meds are bunk.Try the hcg for 2-4 weeks then run your clomid nolva see if that reboots you
Don't you dare even think about trt until you at least try a reboot. Preferably pharma if you can get your hands on it. It's still too early to tell anyway but some people even fully recover with a shit or no pct at all. You're way to young to be throwing in the towel. At the very least get your hands on some legit pharma Clomid/Nolva and run it 100/40 for two weeks then at 50/20 for the last two weeks.
You're other numbers aren't terrible (they're actually typical fo running a cycle) and should balance back out in the upcoming weeks
You need to donate blood. Your hematocrit is high. When it gets high like that it climbs fast. If you don't donate it takes months upon months to lower.
I'd hit up an endo, if you have insurance so you can get a script, but that is just my manipulation mentality.
PCT again.
Yes I know. My hemocrit and RBC has been high for years. Thanks for your input
you wasted the test my man. you need to test pct effectiveness after pct like 4-6 weeks after you finish pct. pct is normally 100/40 for clomid nolva for first 2 weeks then 50/20 for next 2. give it 4 more weeks, go get retested, if its still low get pharma products and re-pct. if that doesnt work see a doc. you wont see LH FSH and test settle back to normal for a couple weeks (assuming they do).
also what was your cycle, gear, length etc
They shouldn't be low on pct though (lh fsh) they should be high a week or two into pct
I had my last pct stay in the mid 2 range for both LH and FSH until 4 weeks after pct then bam out of no where they were back to a respectable number
I'm glad you recovered. Typically (I don't pct so I may be a little off) but lh/fsh are elevated when clomid is properly dosed then fall within normal range . Imo With numbers as low as his there isn't enough lh to release enough test to recover
makes sense. In any case, this dood needs to gets some better gear. Something must be off though if he is using BP or Alin products.
Oh for sure. Pharma (gmp facility produced) is some of the most widely faked gear though. Counterfeits are found all the time even within us pharmacies. There was a special I saw on 60 mins or something similar not too long ago...can't remember the exact figure but it I'd pushing a billion dollar a year business
I wanted to see if these products were doing anything at all. I have gotten prior blood tests on PCT while using another brand and the LH and FSH and test were all on the higher end. I ran Test p 500mg per week and mast p 400mg each week for 10 weeks.
Pct again from a credible source...if you got it from alin I would Conot act them and see what they can do for you