Lab Results
Alright guys, i need a little help. Im confused to as why my LH and FSH look good but test and estro are low. Could just always have been low since iv'e never really had a strong sex drive, felt like iv'e always had low test for some reason. I did run a PH cycle in may for 4 weeks and ran nolva after, then got some gyno so ran a little experiment of AI's and serms for 2 months to get rid of it. Iv'e been off everything for atleast 12 weeks.
And my liver enzymes are high but i dont drink. I eat healthy as hell and only drink water and protein shakes. I do drink a shake a day so im going to cut those out and see if they are affecting my liver. Does anyone have any experience with shakes negatively affecting their liver? this is the only thing i can think of.
If anything else looks off please let me know, im still trying to familiarize myself. This really blows im pretty bummed... Was hoping to start my first Test E cycle soon. Since my test is pretty low for my age would it be wise to run a cycle and hope to recover to these levels? Appreciate the help....
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I'm assuming you didnt use hcg during the cycle. During these prolong periods of shutdown your Leydeg cells become desensitized to LH. So when comes come to restart your hpta your LH levels return to normal fairly quickly but your test levels take longer to increase due to them being desensitized to LH and not responding to the LH signal. Use hcg next time so you don't go they long periods of complete pituitary shutdown.
Thanks irongame i was looking for a response that would explain my situation. The only question is i only ran a PH for a month. That wouldnt really be considered a long period of pituitary shutdown would it?
How heavy do you lift bro? Your creatinine is low for a weightlifter. Creatinine is a marker of the breakdown of muscle tissue from lifting. No breakdown = no growth.
depends on what im working out really, i take it easy on chest and delts since i had an injury but i never go lower than 5 reps. i keep sets between 15-5 reps and do drop sets, super sets. My bun creatine is high but are you referring to my creatine serum?
Could be primary hypogonadism since your have FSH and LH so your pituitary is fine, its just the testes not responding to the LH
its hard to tell without base numbers before the cycle
Did you get bloods after the AIs and SERMs?
These are the bloods 12 weeks after AI's and Serms. I had a hernia in my testicles when i was young, you know if thats a factor?
Seems like its specialist time
It could be a factor..although if it was you would have had this level of test for your life since then, a cycle wouldnt "shake and stir" the damage so to speak
If you have good insurance it definitely wouldn't hurt to see one
I also used serms for my PCT and my liver values came back high.
This is my 4th time getting bloods since i took the PH. The first two tests were about 2 and 3 months after the cycle and didnt show elevated liver enzymes. This is something that had been occurring recently in the past few months and i havent been taking anything. Quite confusing, im looking further into the hepatitis situation, the doc never mentioned anything about it, he told me it was prob the protein shakes. Think its time to switch docs.( the test i posted i took on my own) the last test with the doc was a month ago and only showed elevated ALT.
Yeah if you got bloods the first two times and liver wasn't elevated, then it's not the pro hormones. How do you feel?
I feel like my regular self, im going to take some liver support for now and cut out protein shakes and retest in a month. If its not that then ill see a new doc about testing for hep and so on. But as for test levels im still in the dark, my lh and fsh seem good.
I agree with your low test levels.
Good luck bro.
Did you get a complete baseline prior to the PH cycle? Maybe you were always low. When did you get your blood collected? I've observed as much as 180 ng/Dl difference in testosterone levels taking a test in the morning vs afternoon.
Unfortunately i didnt take bloods before the cycle but it is possible iv'e always had low T because i feel like my normal self. And i did take the test first thing in the morning
Hard to tell if this is or is not typical for you since you don't have a baseline. Just a guess, but that low E could be the result of your low T...not enough to aromatize. You might wait it out another month and do another test to see if there's an improvement. Did the previous lab tests show your LH and FSH levels were in overdrive? What were your test levels then?
Prohormones can fuck your liver up if no liver support. I know you've been off for a while but it still could of done a number on you. Did you get these bloods on your own or by a doc? When liver enzymes come in high they usually re run the bloods to check for hepatitis.
RoidKillerShakes are not going to impact your liver bro.Did they check for hepatitis?If you eat healthy and dont drink and arent taking anything then you need that liver checked for hepatitis.Also you should run a cycle of TUDCA for your liver and take milk thistle daily.I have very good knowledge in the area of liver health.FR if you have any questions.Run the TUDCA cycle and get checked again if liver enzymes were high.No reason for it.
i want to start a cycle but won't, im just figuratively speaking down the road, if im just destined to have low test levels.
And im not sure about running more pct, My fsh and lh levels were off the charts when i was taking the AI's and Serms so i know they were doing the job. Maybe i could be recovering still, i dont mind waiting another 3 months to see if my levels slowly creep back up.
rocketballzThe estro level is what's making me scratch my head. There's a good amount of LH in your blood which would typically translate into a more healthy testosterone level (especially at your age) which would also mean more estrogen via aromatization...if you believe conventional science. So something isn't adding up here. Im not calling you a liar or anything like that but I would maybe expect to see these kinds of odd numbers a short time after finishing PCT; assuming standard nolva, clomid, ands maybe even aromasin was used. I would stay away from aas until you get this situation figured out.
Good luck and thanks for sharing. Maybe someone has some other insights into this.
You could still be recovering. I would get your dr to run PCT w pharma products to try to get your levels up. Get right first then worry about doing a cycle.