+ 18 Kits4Less Round 2
Just got round 2 of igf bloodwork running Kits4Less Supreme A. 6IU/day. Based on variance I’ve seen between vials, this is roughly what I was expecting. My liver enzymes were about 20 points less than my previous test where I got 223 igf. They still aren’t back to my normal baseline though, so I bet if I waited 2 more weeks and tested my igf again it would be higher. So yes, elevated liver enzymes (at least in my case) had a drastic impact on my igf score.
3/15/24: AST/ALT ~ 80 each when I scored 223
4/1/24: AST/ALT ~ 65 each on this test where I scored 417
My baseline AST/ALT is ~30 each.
I included the date on this screenshot of bloodwork so y’all know it was from this recent pull. Oh and labcorp turned around results so much faster than quest.
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How long have you been on supreme A before test
20 days for test 1
36 days for test 2
What are your thoughts on this? Are you leaning towards the high liver values or the extra time on gh? I guess the next test will confirm the if the liver values are the main cause. If the liver values are down and the igf-1 is up again. I would say you're fully saturated with the gh by now.
+1 Good thinking scooby. This is telling me that wait time and liver health is crucial in IGF scoring. Just saying.
I don't think I've ever read about a correlation between liver values and igf-1 levels while on gh. Not until SeeOhShow brought it up that is.
Ya I’ve never seen it brought up either. I had theorized it was the case because of natural production. And just because of my situation and the way it works natural I’d assume it’s his liver and not the length of time but idk
You also made a very good comment worth considering below. "what we don’t know is if it only effects the numbers on the bloodwork or if it’s actually blunting the effects as well". We know that tren can show high estrogen numbers on one of the estrogen tests but not the other. Were you saying you feel the high liver values are blunting the effects of your gh?
Ya it’s either that or I have shitty gh but it would make sense because right now my liver is kinda fucked up and I’m not getting any side effects from a pretty big gh dose when I usually have really bad side effects from even a low dose
Once @SeeOhShow runs his third test, assuming his markers will be closer to normal range, it will show exactly how much impact elevated enzymes have on the efficacy.
Ya I’m thrilled he’s doing this lol. I’m benefiting from it as much as he is lmao. Right when I’m having similar issues, he’s doing all the tests
Yeah. I saw the gh you're running in your pics. There's only one igf-1 test from 2 months ago. And the test wasn't that great. But, it could be the person. It seems like if the gh is extremely cheap, people don't really care how good it is. Lol
Ya I shouldn’t have been so quick to buy a fucking year supply lol. But before this one of cheapest ones around actually had shit testing almost the highest and I’d seen 300$ kits testing like shit so I wasn’t too worried about the cost =quality but I guess when you get down to 50$ a kit I should’ve known to expect something lol
You never know. It could be good. It’s just hard to tell with not many gif-1 tests coming in.
@Rosschestzip @scoobydoo. I definitely would like to see a few more tests on that particular src's GH and this srcs GH obviously also.Can't beat that price but right now I'm on the fence.
As far as storage of GH you might be ok storing for a year but I wouldn't push it any longer than that. But I would think 6 months max is probably best. I don't know what to think because some guys have claimed to experience sides on that other src's GH.
Ya and I’m sure I’ll go through fast. It would be a year at like 2-3 ius and I’m doing like 8. I was kinda exaggerating by saying a year lol. And ya idk what to think either. I’ll be back from visiting my mom next week and I can start getting some testing done and see what the deal is.
Just fyi even pharma somatropin storage requirements say up to 6 months refrigerated. I’d be hesitant buying 12 month supply at a time. I’d be worried about dimer amount increasing over time or just the amino acid chain just starting to deteriorate, since they don’t actually state what happens after 6 months of storage
Look at my comment below. All starts in liver
Well the liver is what takes natural secreted growth hormone and cranks out igf-1. Why would the body go through a separate process because the growth came from an exogenous source? Our bodies are amazing at adapting, but it’s not gonna create a new metabolic pathway for something that already exists.
Test #4 will be me taking some winny or equally harsh oral for ~10 days. Same HGH dose. And seeing if igf drops significantly again.
Bro you’re the man. Whatever the final verdict proves, it will be because of you. Thank you.
Yeah dude. Fuck your liver. This is for gh science and shit. Lol
lol I don’t and have never drank alcohol. My liver is stout, healthy, and ready for a beating!
I see. Thing is IGF is produced in the liver so liver health is crucial in its production
Yup that’s the point of the third test. Still just a hypothesis without enough data
Thank you for sharing and very happy for you. I will be doing an IGF-1 test as well in about a week 4/12. I will post the results. Currently doing 5IUs a day.
JakeKOHappy to see good test results, for everyone’s sake. Wishing this source a long existence because too many sources have been overcharging us all for a long time. You better stock up @Kits4lessdomestic LOL
No shit he better stock up. He was still selling out even after the low igf-1 test came in. Lol
You ain't wrong man. Get a couple more good blood tests and jano tests back, they will be flooded with orders.
Exactly. Like I said it was always sit back and just wait on bloods regardless what was said or done in the past. And I agree with your overcharging comment for sure. Best thing is it's domestic.
Appreciate you brother.
somebody call foreverfitbod hes crying
Nah let’s not bash him. He was coming from a solid place trying to look out for all us fellow brethren on here just tryin to make gains. It’s all love and we all want the same thing. Good clean gear so we can get strong and jacked.
just a meme :-) - hope those who followed the thread get a lol
really happy to see your positive result! Stoked for my own stash, the vendor, and the rest of the folks who were on edge.
Also the educational element - the link between orals, liver health, and potential efficacy of exogenous gh - I haven't seen this discussed very much at all.
Guessing Var would be the king then, depending on goals. Test, Primo, Var, GH --- mmmmm champagne.
Ya in the past two weeks I’ve been saying that orals fucked my liver and my shitty liver is lowering the efficacy of my gh. And multiplied people have said it’s impossible. The only reason I even theorized it was because I was reading about how naturally gh production causes the liver to excrete igf-1 so I’m thinking if we take hgh to increase our igf-1, it must also be going through the liver. I knew all my oral usage recently had caused my liver to not be great and then I’m the only one on a a massive gh dose with zero effects so I just hypothesized that it’s my liver causing it. I’ve never seen it talked about anywhere before and it was just my theory but like I said, it got shut down quick lol. Most of the people who said it wasn’t that would say that the liver would only effect natural production. I believe them, but this bloodwork I think kinda confirms my theory but what we don’t know is if it only effects the numbers on the bloodwork or if it’s actually blunting the effects as well. I think it is for me at least but I’m not 1,000% sure.
So, personally I would LOVE to see this topic discussed and studied IN DEPTH!
Where was the discussion you had about orals fucking up your liver? Was it a forum post or on a sources page?
Some people's 2 cents isn't worth it. If liver issues can affect natural igf-1 levels, why wouldn't it affect igf-1 levels when taking gh. It makes sense to me that it would.
This an extreme example, but that's like saying if a person had an object go through their brain causing damage and later that person expected no chemical or hormonal imbalances in the brain afterwards. More than likely there would be issues lol...I'm just saying.
Lol
If someone KNEW that it didn’t, I’d believe it cause not everything natural acts the same as exogenous stuff, but there was really no proof going either way, so this, to me, kinda proves my theory. So now idk if I should get my levels tested even tho they’ll be low, just to further prove it or wait until my liver levels are normal and then check igf.
Well after my third test, I’m gonna run some winny for 10 days with no liver support supps. Get my AST/ALT in the 100+ range and then test igf again on this same 6IU dose. I’ll graph the relationship of AST/ALT to IGF-1 and get the correlation coefficient between the data sets. I have a feeling you will be vindicated. Your theory is sound to me, and I personally believe igf1 production all happens through the liver regardless if the GH is endogenous/exogenous.
Cool you do all the leg work and you can prove it for me !! Then I’ll just test mine at the end for some additional confirmation lol
Unless you plan on doing multiple tests, you should wait. You wanna see where you stand at good function for future references.
Well ya I think if I was to do an igf test while my liver enzymes were elevated I’d probably really want to do another igf once the liver was back to normal cus then I could confirm that is my liver and not just garbage gh. But I just don’t know if I wanna spend the money on all those tests lol
Exactly common sense isn't common to everyone lol
Happy for you you all man. Yea I'm curious to see how it all plays out. And yea I'm sure those that doubted are curious as well.
I have all those things and can test it down the road.
Side note: I’m too lame to understand memes lol. I don’t even have any social media.
Bro this forum is my social media. No FB, No X, No IG…
I mean I have some other ones but rarely use them and aren’t active on them at all. Sometimes I’ll just watch stupid clips on the other sites
Same here.
You too huh? Hey not bad.