posted Tue, 07/15/2014 - 16:21
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Bloods after last pin before PCT
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So I have been lifting and gear-ing vicariously through my friend because I can't pin due to Thyroid and ACL issues. This guy was supposed to be on 500mg of TestE per week, 50mg proviron per day and .25adex e3d. Found out he was actually taking 750mg testE per week. Looking at bloods, something doesn't seem right. His free test is clearly doing well on the BP Provimed, but his total test is barely out of the normal range.
The guy went from 221-232lbs and his bf actually went from 14-11.3% so he added about 15lbs of solid mass which was good for his first ever cycle. So I guess total test doesnt matter as much as free test???? Can someone help answer this?
Test was a 30Ml TestE from CNC purchased back in March. Proviron was from Ashop in May.
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bigKountrySeems pretty low to me.....
Not enough info bro. How many days/weeks between last pin and BW? Furthermore, if the purpose of this test was to determine if it is time to start pct, this really isn't the ideal test. Ideally, you want to know e2 levels, and gonadatripic levels.
He took this lab 2 days after his final pin. I put him on 250mg for M/Th dosing but somewhere in between he was taking another 250mg.
He is now 16 days since his last injection. So his pct is startIng this coming monday. told him to wait 3 weeks since he was taking 750mg before he started his pct. he is also doing hcg blast prior to pct.
he is 6'1" 235lbs 11% now I believe. Started cycle at 221 and 14%
he took the test late but it was to measure his test levels on cycle. He bought the test in week 4 but never went so we waited and took it on his last week of pinning. This was just to get a count of where he got to in test and free test. He bought the male hormone i believe because there was no estridrol on here
That's some weak ass gear then bro. For real...
hunteron20sI would say for taking 500 or 750mg of test and his levels look like that .that is low .its not weak but its not as high as it could have been ..he made the gains becuase his test was over 1,000 but he should have been over 2,000 .so he made good gains now he had to take proper time off and get better gear next go around and he might put up 20 to 30 lbs of solid mass .
Hist starting test was 849 so it wasn't a dramatic increase like I have experienced. He is done for at least 20 weeks now. I told him to wait and I can walk him through a bulk in winter
hunteron20sWell due to the crappy low dose gear ..the body really didnt shutdown did it ? If not then 20 weeks off is not needed I think ..I have been off 4 months I start in a month .I posted my bloods its in my profile it was day before last pin
damn, you were about 1000pts higher at 150mg less. he said he felt great. didn't have that anabolic well being feeling I always talk about but he said he was horny as hell and added size strength. I don't think I want to tell him that he "didnt" shut down, because I want him to learn hwo to wait. I know too many guys that cycle, pct then jump back on with out enough time. Idk its hard to say if he did or didnt shut down.... maybe i should have him get blood before he puts nolva/clomid in his body? itll be 3 weeks since his last pin then
What you mean "didn't shutdown". He most absolutely did shutdown bro. You don't supplement and yield 2-3x the bodies natty test levels and not shutdown.
The way the endocrine system works is in a manner that will raise levels when needed and suppress when abundance is present. Again, the right blood panel would have shown you this. Gonadatripic hormones stimulate test production. When test levels are optimal or abundant, gonadatripic levels are suppressed by the pituitary. This in turn shuts down natty test production. The average healthy male should have levels between 500-800 +- you don't reach 1600+ and keep producing.
hunteron20sI didnt mean shut down like that ..I meant due to the low levels that 20 weeks seems pretty long ..but I do understand that it was test e if it really was that but it is a long ester and proper recovery is needed ..
Agreed. Thanks for clarifying. Didn't want someone to misinterpret and try to apply
whoa whoa whoa, i never said he didn't shut down. look at the comment above mine.
hunteron20's:
Well due to the crappy low dose gear ..the body really didnt shutdown did it ? If not then 20 weeks off is not needed I think
I just said I am not passing that info along to anyone cuz I want him to take time off like he should. Lol im not doubting that taking test for 12 weeks didnt stop his natty production. Like I said below this test wasn't to see if he should pct, he bought this week 4 but never got into use it. Its a cheap test with only test, free test and some other crap not needed. It was just to see where he was with the amount of gear he took. i will have him test again with a proper "full panel or female panel" before he takes his pct
I agree with what you wrote, I know theres no way he put gear in and didnt shut down
Comment was meant for both of you...
lol got it
All depends on when the test was taken and how close to last pin. If, for example, he pinned Thursday and took bloods Monday, his numbers should be closer to 4500+.
pinned thur at 5pm and took test sometime on Saturday following.... looks like test was under dosed but can it really be that low with that high of a free test level?
Free test level doesn't always correlate with total test levels. There are numerous factors that cause and inhibit binding of the hormone.
so theoretically, lets say my levels of test off cycle are 750... could I just take proviron to increase free test for the protein synthesis and thus get the effects of muscle gain with out messing my natural production of hormones? this is just a question, I know you shouldnt take proviron with out test
Test looks low. How many injects per week and how many days after last inject were bloods taken?
3 injects per week (he snuck an extra 250mg) and test was 2 days after last pin