+ 1 2nd cycle advice
I am 40 years old 6'2", 14 stones at maybe 11-12% BF. Lift fairly heavy, 180kg squats, 50kg dumbell presses and when i deadlifted i could hit 225kg with no real probs, so i consider myself a fairly experienced lifter.
I have done a few PH cycles in the past, Epi, H-Drol etc and so far one Test e cycle but went low and only did 250mg per week for 12 weeks with a 3 week prop taper into pct.
My reasoning behind going low was that i wanted to just dip my toe in, wasnt bothered about huge mass gains, much prefer quality lean gains which being an ecto i find so much more easy to retain over time.
Anyway i am thinking ahead to my 2nd cycle and obv i am going to 500mg Test e for this one and i know many of you would say stick with plain test for at least the first 2 cycles but i am thinking about adding Equi into the mix. Apart from being a great strength gainer and appetite booster its the tendon, joint assisting properties that make me really interested in it.
Since my test cycle my elbows are shot to pieces and although i can still train i am in fair levels of discomfort from time to time and i am taking tons of fish oils, glucosamin, MSM, cissus quad etc etc but nothing really helps. I could rest them but that realistically is not gonna happen!
Anyway, i understand Equi, as a standard, should be run at least 600+ mg per week for good results and up to 14-16 weeks which would mean i would need to buy 3 bottles of Equi and 2 bottles of test. I have spotted BSI blend that is Test/Equi - 250/500 which if dosed twice a week would mean a total of 1g of equi.
Would this be considered too much for a second cycle. I understand Equi is fairly low on sides so do you think its a goer or would you say otherwise. Willing to take on whatever advice is given
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I am thinking i may sack off the blend and get hold of some separate vials of each. Perhaps 500mg test e per wk and 400-600 equi. Sound ok?
Will def go for a prop taper as i believe it helped last time. Not that fussed about the kicker, i am patient!!
Question, if i run the equi for 16 weeks do i have to run the test for the full 16?
Anonif you do this....run the test 2 weeks longer so they clear at same time
Yea bro i would drop the blends get eq vials and test vials.rusts got the taper sorted for you.
Good look on your cycle you should get bloods done to before cycle and after pct to make sure you recoverd ok.
Uk blood work-blue horizon looks good its a bit pricey.gettiny my first bloods done from them as i can't realy see any other good uk source for them made a post tuva day asking for good sources for bloodwork but it was dead in the water lol.hope i helped
usa blood work-privatemdlabz
RustyhookerTest covers yoyr sex drive. So if you stop test at 16...3Weeks prop taper. If you switch to prop early...jyst remember the eq needs 18-21 days til pct. Depends entirely on your pinning preference...I've done it both ways. If you get a low/no pip prop...you'll love it! If ya get pip prop...you'll learn good techniques to lower pip
If your on edge about sides bro but still want eqs benifits on tendons/ligaments you could run it at 350-450mg weekly it would still keep you hard and you would still gain off it being its your first time.add in 500 mg test e per week and you should be ok on the sides.
Test-e-500mg split mon/Thursday
eq-400 mg split mon/Thursday
I am running a rehab cycle prity soon for my fucked knee am going to be running test e 300 mg weekly,eq 450 mg weekly,and var kickstart at 50 mg.yep doses are low but am not wanting water weight and trying to keep gains as hard and lean as possible with minamal fat and water.
Whats your on cycle bp control ? I like to keep drugs to a min and look for a more natural remedy i would advise apple cider vinegar if eq is your option two spoons per day and this should realy help.take one mid day about 5-6pm as blood pressure is lower in the morning and raises as the day goes onthen again at 9-10pm or switch it up to suit your routine.
Hows your liver/kidney filter protection protocol ?
If you have not got one you could try milk thistle/liv 52/alpha lipcoic acid well i think thats its name its quite cheap and helps to detox your body its realy good on the liver and kidneys theres no hit or miss with it studys back it up.also get 3-4 green teas down you per day and drink loads of water i would say i go 4-5 litres of water a day or more thats what i go thrw.take 1-2 glasses of cranberry juice per day aswell.
Rustys pct plan and AI set up is bang on for you bro.
I agree with the aromasin as AI instead of adex aswell run aromasin in your pct aswell.had a bro jst do this and he said pct has been great since aromasin was run thrw only downside is he had stiff joints.
Which is the complete opposite effect that we use EQ for in the first place?????...... When running EQ use ADEX for AI so as not to counteract the benefits EQ brings to the table..... never run "off the peg" always use ancills that work well with each different compound... or you will have problems that didnt need to be there in the first place.
If you really want a hard finish to compliment the EQ run masteron throughout the cycle... if you do this you need NO added AI.... nor be worried about EQ aromatising... no way would i run aromasin with this stack its too harsh.
RustyhookerAnother reason to love masteron!!
He ran aromasin on cycle everyday and had no problems he said joints felt great and lubed.once onto pct he ran aromasin 10 mg daily rite to the end of week for 4.i presumed the stiff joints where from low estro levels as he said he felt quite shitty when it came to training.i hear a lot run aromasin on cycle now you say this it makes me question my AI for upcoming cycle.i was going to run adex untill week 8 then switch to aromasin untill end of cycle and pct.would it not be ok to run aromasin full cycle if you kept an eye on your estro levels and made sure low estro did not arise ? Or is there some other reason that aromasin would dry joints ? Is it not common to get stiff joints in pct if aromasin is used and thats a key part of recovery you can't use adex for pct so ain't we all just got to deal with the downside of pct.the eq would still do its job as long as he watched for low estro sides and if he seen them lower dose as needed.any info you can provide would help me the more the better am hear to learn and change my ideas when new information is found.
I would say try it out bro.... this is the fun part of finding which ancill works best with each combo/stack we try out.... at the end of the day bro we are all different ... what works for me may not work for you and vice versa... basically i only use aromasin with known highly aromatising compounds and drop back to adex with lesser ones, and i benefit from not having PCT issues any longer due to TRT blast/cruise protocol in place.... like i say ALL ancills have thier place and should NEVER be overlooked, but we need to experiment personnally to find the best to suit us with each different goal/stack we choose to run.
yea i would agree bro everyones diffrent we live and learn tho.cheers for the advice
RustyhookerNice layout! I need to try the vinegar next run. Less stomach/kidney stress is a bonus.
It will be my first time with it aswell bro but from what i read its realy great.i hate these fads of try the new HARDCORE LIVER EXTREAM FILTER CAPSULES SUPER XL lol when the caps consist of flour and baken soda with a flashy box haha.i had a bro come in and say what you using that for i reply bp bro his reply is a snigger and shmm you should try these new caps 50 pound for 30 there great for your bp not knowing some sly supp shop owner sold him a tub of shit.apple cider vingar 99p for 500 ml the best on cycle bp support can't beet it.i think i mite add in some ibuprofen aswell as i hear they help fin the blood and will also help with my knee.
RustyhookerYup! The new GNC special out here. Lol! Careful on ibubprofen...already loaded the kidneys with stress of high protein. Hope the knee heals quickly!
Haha.yea ano bro it works the best for the pain its realy good av dropped the dose tho over the weeks.they had be on diclofenac then naproxen that shit give me kidney pains and pains in my abbs never again.now its just codeine phosphate and ibuprofen and the tramadol they gave me well a think i will give it a miss lol i want to be of this planet and on that stuff your not of this world you talk to someone and your more or less just dribbalin on your shirt.
RustyhookerAnavar also helps joints. Npp, deca add lube to joints. Both of us are just flat getting older so saving the joints can be done by changing workouts to volume vs raw pounds. Depends on goals.
Your goal? Lean bulk? Strength? Bf drop?
I want more muscle but want to keep BF low (or lower!!) I def dont want deca tho!
RustyhookerSmart! I wouldn't advise it either. When you order figure 8cc/bottle because the small amount lost in the pin so you're not short. I Love eq. Theres eq((boldenone und) and eq cyp(shorter ester). A nice cycle of eq is 16Weeks eq and 18weeks test. I thing a gram a week is too high for second cycle. There's different ways to run a test/eq cycle. With prop kicker/taper or without. Adding the prop will get the test going quicker, you'll just have to start ai a lil sooner. Taper helps keep test levels stable while the enanthate clears the system.
1-4 prop 100eod
1-14 test e/cyp 600/week split mon/thur
15-18 test e 400/wk split
1-16 eq 600/wk mon/thur
19-20 prop 100eod--pct 2days after last pin
Aromasin as AI. With prop kicker start about day 10 at 6.75ed. If nips get sensitive can up to 12.5ed. Blood test at week 6 will get AI dialed in for Max growth.
Pct-
Aromasin 12.5 12.5 6.75 6.75
Clomid 100...100...50...50
Nolva 20...20..10...10
I lowered the test last part of the cycle to alleviate test bloat and let the eq harden/vascular/cut. You can keep it at 600 if you choose for added bulk.
Bp--eq raises red blood cells and can really be felt bout week 8 as endurance will rise. Keep salt out of foods. Check bp daily. Hydration helps a lit...gallon water a day. If bp creeps up a 81Mg aspirin (just 1 a day) with meal helps thin blood.
Week 11 the magic get going. Hunger is understatement so carry plenty of good healthy snacks.
Back pumps.....sometimes eq can give back pumps. It sucks! Taurine will relieve that easily. Suppkiment if needed or drink the sugar free rockstar etc that says taurine on label.
Great advice bro i feel i will need your wisdom in the weeks to come FR sent