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As I browse through the forums, I am seeing more and more that some are keeping their AI on-hand in case of gyno flare ups or other sides. The majority here is aware of the necessity of AI’s on cycle, but I wanted to address this for the lesser informed.

What is an AI?

An AI is an aromatase inhibitor. Aromatase is an enzyme whose sole responsibility is to synthesize estrogen hormones – estrone and estradiol – from androgens via a process called aromatization. Because our bodies are physiologically programmed to maintain a state of balance – homeostasis – aromatase enzymes are synthesized in response to elevated androgen levels. Therefore and in general, the higher the level of adrogens, the higher the level of aromatase enzymes. The higher the level of enzymes, the greater the potential for hyperestrogenism (excess estrogen). AI’s act to inhibit the activity of the enzyme, thereby providing regulation of estrogen levels.

High Estrogen Symptoms

• Fluid retention and weight gain
• Fluctuations in body temperature
• Adult acne
• Depression, apathy, irritability and aggression due to a hormonal imbalance
• Decrease libido or impotence
• Prostate issues (inflammation or cancer)
• Gyno

Why an AI

Taking into consideration that our androgen levels are well in excess while on cycle, the fact arises that the potential for excess estrogen dramatically increases. By allowing estrogen levels to rise uncontrollably, we are opening ourselves up to a host of symptoms associated with high estrogen. Outside of the risks of gyno, there is also the concern of sexual dysfunction. How many times do we see comments or reviews where a lesser experienced user is claiming bunk gear due to decreased of libido? Often times digging a little deeper into the cycle log or history of this individual, we will find an improper cycle and AI issues. Although some of the symptoms are minor, with gyno and libido issues being the greatest concern, there is no need IMO to experience any of these sides if they can be avoided. Considering that once you have gyno, the only way to get rid of it is through surgical removal, we should realize that these sides are much easier to prevent than they are to reverse. The AI’s main role here is to achieve greater hormonal balance and provide control for the user so as to avoid the occurrence of sides.

One aspect that I want to add to this is the effects estrogen has on the gonadotropins – LH & FSH. Studies have proven that estrogen provides negative feedback towards the synthesis and secretion of both LH & FSH. This is detrimental to the overall objective of PCT, which is to reboot natty systems. These gonadotropins main role here is to stimulate production of testosterone. If estrogen levels are elevated and left unchecked, outside of the listed side effects, the suppression of the gonadotropins will compromise the goal of PCT. Therefore, it is imperative that balance be achieved in order to not only prevent side effects but to also allow for a proper PCT and reset.

Types of AI’s

There are two types of AI’s:

• Type 1 (irreversible steroidal inhibitors)
• Type 2 (non-steroidal inhibitors)

Type 1 inhibitors form a permanent and deactivating bond with the aromatase enzyme, so it never lets go even when the drug is discontinued or its active life expires. Type 2 inhibitors inhibit the synthesis of estrogen via reversible competition for the aromatase enzyme, which means that it binds reversibly. An example of an irreversible inhibitor would be Aromasin (exemestane). Examples of reversible inhibitors, or Type 2, would be * Letrozole (Femara) or Anastrozole (Arimidex)*.

Below is an excerpt from one of GS’s threads that does a great job of explaining the two types and their modes of action:

Aromatase Inhibitors come in 2 types. Type 1 and Type 2. First Type 1 AI's bind by a process called hydroxylation; this hydroxylation process produces an unbreakable covalent bond between the inhibitor and the enzyme protein. Now the enzyme is permanently blocked even after all of the inhibitor is removed and can only be resumed by new enzyme synthesis. Type 2 Inhibitors on the other hand function all the same in their ability to reduce the binding process of the enzyme and the receptor. Except once the drug is discontinued or the concentration of the drug is sparse enough it is possible for the enzyme to seperate itself from the Inhibitor and eventually will allow renewed competion between the Inhibitor and the Enzyme for the receptor site. Aromasin is a type 1 AI and once it does what it's purpose is we don't need to continue use. Letro and Adex are Type 2 Ai's and the success of those drugs are continigent on the Doses and protocol of which we use them. Once you stop them you expose yourself to an Estrogen rebound. Now having said all of that there are also many other reason to why Aromasin use is beneficial to a Bodybuilder. One is Arimidex/Anastrozole Decreases IGF-1 18% while Aromasin/Exemestane Increases IGF-1 28%. Another is Aromasin is also known to decrease estrogen between 90-95% while boosting Endogenous Testosterone by about 60%, and also help out your free to bound testosterone ratio by lowering levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), by about 20% (12)…SHBG is that nasty enzyme that binds to testosterone and renders it useless for building muscle

*The article can be read here: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin

How much AI?

This answer can be tricky, because some degree of trial and error must take place to find your individual “sweet spot”. In order to do this, the following recommended doses should be administered during your cycle, and then blood tests must be run to determine where your estradiol levels are presently. This data will guide you in determining what, if any, tweaks are appropriate.

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD
Arimidex: 0.25mg E3D
Letro: ????

My personal preference is Aromasin. Adex will suffice in terms of controlling enzyme activity during cycle. Because the bond Adex forms is reversible, it can cause the bound enzymes to become released and renew competition once the drug has been discontinued or its active life has expired. For this reason, IMO, Adex should be tapered off and Aromasin introduced leading into PCT. I am also more fanatical about ED dosing of Aromasin vs EOD. With a drug half-life of 27 hrs, a lower dose of 6.25mg ED would IMO yield a more stable and better sustained level. Once again, blood tests are a must for confirming the individuals “sweet spot”.

Letro, once again, should be used in the case of an emergency such as gyno flares. Unfortunately, I am unable to find a solid or consistent recommended dosing schedule for Letro. I have found doses ranging from 0.5-2.5mg ED, as well as doses being administered as frequently as every 2 days. Letro does have a half-life of 2 days. Hopefully, someone with a bit more experience can elaborate on this aspect for us. One thing that I can say about Letro is that it will kill your estrogen. Because estrogen is active in the breast tissue during your gyno flares, eradication of the hormone will cause suppression of the symptom. With this in mind, you can and should expect to experience the symptoms of low estrogen (see below).

Now, keeping all of this in mind, I arrive at my final point:

TOO MUCH AI IS DETRIMENTAL AS WELL!!

The goal with incorporating an AI is to regulate the enzyme’s activity so as to avoid hyperestrogenism, not completely suppress it. Some estrogen is needed for normal physiological functions. Just like too much estrogen can lead to a host of side effects, so too can too little estrogen. Following the recommended dosages and running your blood work is key to achieving balance in this regard.

Low Estrogen Symptoms:

• Fatigue
• Weight gain
• Hot flashes and night sweats
• Depression, apathy, irritability and aggression due to a hormonal imbalance
• Insomnia or restless sleep
• Headaches
• Low libido or impotence
• Stiffness or joint pain
• Anxiety
• Heart palpitations
• Adult acne

So, guys, avoid adopting the mentality that an AI is good to have in the event of side occurences. One thing we cannot avoid without the use of an ancillary is the physiological function of the enzyme. Sides will occur; it's just a matter of time. These sides and symptoms are much easier to prevent than they are to reverse.

Jzonghi87's picture

So I have 0 symptoms of needing an Ai should I use small dosage every couple days or wait

UgtaBkdNme's picture

Bump

Citrinite's picture

Always have AI on hand or adjust Masteron as needed.

mwagner630's picture

I am having some gyno issues and ready to a letro blast taper but im not sure how long to run it for it. since it kills estrogen pretty quick i would imagine you run it on a short blast but how long is short, 1 week, 2 weeks, a month. help please
im starting low .5 or less and working up to .2.5 if needed

I CAN NOT GET LABS DONE, I GOT A SNEAKY DOC and once that is in my med records it kills me for anything else. so i got to deal with it on my own

gatorbits's picture

you are not ready for this lifestyle
Read
And please realize you may or may have already hurt your body with the mis use of these compounds
Least amount possible
Least duration possible
It clears up do two more days and stop

Privatemdlabs check it out
You need to get work ups here you go

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mwagner630's picture

the sad reality is very few aas users get to do it right the first time. most are not ready for the lifestyle. i am no less ready than anyone else, my problem was poor planning, i have no excuse for it. i learned the hard way, which i think ultimately being a bad experience will be something good for me. i will be more prepared and more willing to do what needs to be done, i will be more educated and more patient from this point on. i have been looking into private lab work. i have 2 places that will do it, cost is a little prohibitive but ill figure out a way to make it happen

Doss's picture

Lil stroll down memory lane. Kinda funny to look back and see how we all bumped into each other and the assumptions that were made.

Doss's picture

kinda interesting to revisit one of my older posts. Smile

sic26's picture

My bad was reading and did it by accident

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j223's picture

don't put a budget on your health bro..

bpals250's picture

Doss,
About to start second cycle. First was a while back. My nipples have always been a little sensitive. Not due to first cycle. Should I just take an AI throughout the entire cycle. Start at avg. dose. If it gets worse bump it up a little? Or wait to see how they feel 1-2 weeks into? Plan on taking all short ester liquids more for dropping some LBS and cutting cycle.. Should I stay away from Tn P? I really want to add this but I have a feeling you are going to tell me not to use. What do you think? Have been reading posts really not sure what to do. Wanna get this going. Thx Bro sry if I sound like a dumb A**

GymMonster's picture

Great Info Thanks Bro!!

--Snake--'s picture

This was an awesome post and answered all my questions thanx

jock52's picture

DIM (Di-Indole Methane) for those of you who want to try to keep it all natural. I'm currently on TRT at 150mg Test Cyp a week and 400mg a day of this stuff keeps my estrogen levels right where they need to be. It's pretty damn cheap too.

Daveinnj's picture

Thank you for the post...very informative!

alain_305mia's picture

Seems like Aromasin is the winner..And of course is my personal preference .
I just get worried about using Adex and forgetting a dose and having Estrogen rebound on me ..Bitch tits are not really in style right now .lol

bluemaniac's picture

great post

Marky Mark's picture

I think we're looking at a future mod right here! Nice post Smile

synbn's picture

thx bro this explained it perfectly

snuka2012's picture

thx man...head up my ass and forgot to at least give 'em this Smile Anyway, sent the bro a link that might help him out.

snuka2012's picture

hey bro...PM me. I can give you link that can probably answer alot of these abbreviations for you and save u time.

j223's picture

Good prost bro. I'll admit I used letro as an AI once. To be honest it worked ok. I only took 1mg once per week and everything was cool. However I recommend adex for all cycles, aromasin for most pct's, and letro as a last resort gyno blaster. +1

biggb1783's picture

Thank you for the time you put forth in this write up. I just ordered aromasin and letro to have on hand just in case. better safe then sorry.+1 from me brother.

Nitti's picture

Nice lay out. I have had experience with letro once. I was on a run with high Test doses. I was using proviron with no AI. At the end of the cycle I discontinued the provi and started developing gyno. I had never had it prior and was pretty freaked out. I immediatly started an aggressive aromasin (25mg/ed) which stopped it from getting worse. I then started using letro. I used 0.5mg ed and within a week the gyno was pretty much gone. Warning, I felt like absolute shit from the letro. Lethargic, sore, achey, no appetite. It took me a little while to get over that but the letro did its job.

MASSIVE48's picture

Exactly bro Ais should always be on cycle, who the fuck would wanna risk gyno or other prolactin sides?

Great Post bro.

MASSIVE48's picture

"Ancillaries"... Doss explained it up there bro read up.:)

MASSIVE48's picture

Double post.

Carlos Danger's picture

True for guys in single digit cycle experience and when using new compounds. But I could almost tell u week for week what my body is doing bro. I could almost pinpoint what's going on in yours based on what u feel and are experiencing. That comes over the years bro.
It's why I tell guys to get to know their body. Getting to know what it does per dose per compound per stack. It all relates. Go slow with new compounds or adding extra compounds to a familiar stack. Learning what ur body does can help save ur ass.
So yesterday Inoticed i'm all edgy from my tren stack. I popped a caber just cuz I already know at wk 5-6 I'm about to have a big surge of prolactin due to the half lives of the Tren E and tren Hex. So i'm staying ahead of the game. I also upped my aromasin to absorb some of the brunt. But I already know this because I been there done that.
But getting to this point has taken years.

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Carlos Danger's picture

I also tend to have a first time user wait until he/she sees sides before using an AI. That way it can be logged and used as a method of reference. After they come to know their bodies they can start based off previous experience. I tend to need mine from day 1 and daily. Keeps my skin clear that way.

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Carlos Danger's picture

It's a common sign bro. There's many signs that would cause me to keep an eye on it. Itchy nips sore nips increased sensation in ur nips. Sometimes they come and go on cycle but definitely pay attention and be prepared to act with any of those brother.

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