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So I realise that prior to my recent comeback to this site I was absent for a very long time and hence haven't posted any real detailed info on compounds/peptides/cycles etc. other than answering questions in various threads here and there.

Many of you probably don't know me, but I'm happy to see that a couple old-timers are still hanging around (shout-out to great guys like tread, viking, bodybuilder etc).

Today I would like to post some detailed info on insulin, as there seems to be a real shortage of that on here.

First off I would like to say that you should not fuck around with substances that can actually kill you (insulin, DNP etc) unless you really know what your doing. But let's cut to the chase:

What is insulin?

Insulin is a polypeptide hormone that is exclusively produced by the pancreatic beta cells. These beta cells are located in clusters known as the "islets of Langerhans" within the pancreas. Insulin's main function within the body is nutrient distribution; as you consume food, the pancreas secretes the stored insulin, which in turn transports the nutrients within your circulatory system to the various destinations such as liver, muscles, fat tissue and brain. Insulin thereby lowers blood sugar levels.

A lack of insulin within the body leads to the sugar disease called diabetes mellitus, the most common metabolic disease. People with this disease have a pancreas that is unable to produce sufficient amounts of the hormone independently, hence warranting an exogenous input and making daily insulin injections necessary.

Insulin and bodybuilding

So why is insulin important in bodybuilding? Insulin itself, if administered alone, does not have a great muscle-building effect. However, it can be seen as an "activator" that greatly enhances the muscle-building effects of anabolic steroids, IGF-1 and growth hormone especially. Within the scientific literature you will find a multitude of studies that clearly document how a combined usage of insulin and growth hormone has a much stronger effect than if you would take these compounds separately. Both insulin and growth hormone increase the protein content within the muscle tissue, and only a combined use will lead to a maximum effect.

As we know, the majority of the growth hormone is channelled into the liver after an injection. It is now the task of these liver cells to begin the production of IGF-1. For this process, not only testosterone and thyroid hormones are needed, but also insulin in a sufficiently high quantity. This however is where most GH users have the big issue: a healthy adult produces about 50 I.E (or 2mg) of insulin per day, and this is not sufficient to guarantee maximum stimulation of IGF-1 production within the liver.

Now the body knows this problem, and hence increases insulin production with the use of GH; it has the ability to induce an increased insulin release from the pancreas. Blood insulin levels rise and the liver can use this to produce IGF-1. The problem is though, that continuous use of GH actually damages the beta cells in the islets of Langerhans and the previously increased insulin production is brought to a halt. This also implies that extensive GH use over long periods of time at high dosages can actually cause a worryingly low endogenous insulin production. Obviously this will cause a reduction in IGF-1 production within the liver. Furthermore, scientific studies have proven that an insulin deficit causes a reduction of GH receptors within the liver, which means that the liver will not be able to utilise some of the injected GH.

This means that if you ensure a sufficiently high insulin level during a GH cycle you are right on the money, as the most important thing is to give the liver the ability to produce the maximum amount of IGF-1. The same holds true for the muscle cells, which are also able to produce IGF-1 locally from testosterone, thyroid hormone, growth hormone and insulin.

On top of that, insulin is also able to improve the anabolic effect of the IGF-1 the body produces; it positively regulates the synthesis and serum concentration of the IGF-1-binding proteins. Additionally, it supports the formation of the important IGF-1/IGFBP-3 complex within the blood. IGFBP-3 is a binding protein that binds with the IGF-1 in the blood and hence protects against breakdown. Hence we can construct the following chain of reference: insulin stimulates the the IGF-1/IGFBP-3 complex, IGFBP-3 lengthens the shelf life of IGF-1 in the blood, which in turn increases the effectiveness of IGF-1.

Finally, insulin increases the amount of GH receptors in the liver and thereby allows the processing of higher GH dosages. Studies have shown that the excretion of GH within the urin is significantly lower if insulin is applied.

Synergystic effect of GH and insulin

Insulin and GH both act in synergy regarding the protein metabolism: both hormones enhance the penetration of amino acids into the muscle cells; this is based on the fact that the permeability of the cell membrane is elevated. within the muscle cell itself both insulin and GH stimulate protein synthesis.

If we compare the effect of GH and insulin more closely, we find another impressive similarity: both hormones promote the conservation of protein. Insulin does this at the expense of glucose, whereas GH does this at the expense of fatty acids. To put it into bodybuilding jargon: we have an anticatabolic effect.

Insulin and GH both protect the athlete in "stress" situations (overtraining) and malnutrition (competition diet) from losing muscle tissue. The reason for this is that both compounds inhibit a process called "gluconeogenesis". Gluconeogenesis is an energy generation process that is carried out within the liver and uses protein as fuel. Since insulin (through the supply of glucose) and GH (through the supply of fatty acids) inhibit gluconeogenesis in different ways, both complement their efficiency with combined use leading to a greater anticatabolic effect.

The disregard for insulin

So based on these facts, why is it that bodybuilders are still sceptical of this compound? For hardcore-bodybuilders, it simply can't be the inherent health risks or fear of side effects.

Actually, this can be based on the antipolytic properties that insulin has: it has the dubious reputation to promote the storage of fat. This is a correct assessment, as we know that insulin increases the uptake of glucose in the fat cells and furthermore also inhibits the secretion of fatty acids out of the fat cell.

Strangely enough though, pro-bodybuilders utilise insulin even during their pre-contest diets. The GH is what plays the crucial role here, as it has an antagonistic effect to the insulin regarding the carbohydrate and fat metabolism. This basically means that GH inhibits the effect of insulin on the fat tissue. The fat cells develop a resistance to insulin, meaning that it can no longer dock on to the fat cell in order to infiltrate glucose molecules. In addition, the GH inactivates a genetic codex named "Glut-4" that causes the transport of glucose into the fat cells. Furthermore, the GH inhibits the anitpolytic effect of insulin (fat loss inhibition) which can be proven by a high amount of free fatty acid circulation in the blood during the combined use of both compounds. Basically, both compounds fight for the upper hand within the fat cell: GH wins.

You will not find a pro bodybuilder that utilises insulin without combining it with GH.

Since I am running out of time I will need to continue this at a later date. I have significantly more info, including dosages etc. Stay tuned.

If a mod could make my headings bold or tell me how to do it that would be greatly appreciated.

swolen22's picture

Thank you for this

Older School's picture

Thought this might be helpful.

Type of Insulin & Brand Names Onset Peak Duration Role in Blood Sugar Management
Rapid-Acting
Humalog or lispro 15-30 min. 30-90 min 3-5 hours Rapid-acting insulin covers insulin needs for meals eaten at the same time as the injection. This type of insulin is often used with longer-acting insulin.
Novolog or aspart 10-20 min. 40-50 min. 3-5 hours
Apidra or glulisine 20-30 min. 30-90 min. 1-2½ hours
Short-Acting
Regular (R) humulin or novolin 30 min. -1 hour 2-5 hours 5-8 hours Short-acting insulin covers insulin needs for meals eaten within 30-60 minutes
Velosulin (for use in the insulin pump) 30 min.-1 hour 2-3 hours 2-3 hours
Intermediate-Acting
NPH (N) 1-2 hours 4-12 hours 18-24 hours Intermediate-acting insulin covers insulin needs for about half the day or overnight. This type of insulin is often combined with rapid- or short-acting insulin.
Long-Acting
Long-acting insulin covers insulin needs for about one full day. This type of insulin is often combined, when needed, with rapid- or short-acting insulin.
Lantus (insulin glargine) 1-1½ hour No peak time; insulin is delivered at a steady level 20-24 hours
Levemir (insulin detemir) 1-2 hours 6-8 hours Up to 24 hours
Pre-Mixed*
Humulin 70/30 30 min. 2-4 hours 14-24 hours These products are generally taken two or three times a day before mealtime.
Novolin 70/30 30 min. 2-12 hours Up to 24 hours
Novolog 70/30 10-20 min. 1-4 hours Up to 24 hours
Humulin 50/50 30 min. 2-5 hours 18-24 hours
Humalog mix 75/25 15 min. 30 min.-2½ hours 16-20 hours
*Premixed insulins are a combination of specific proportions of intermediate-acting and short-acting insulin in one bottle or insulin pen (the numbers following the brand name indicate the percentage of each type of insulin).

baha's picture

I just read this entire thing, this is why I love eroids. You guys give me knowledge that is just mind blowing, thank you

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EBSNW1's picture

Sorry I haven't been able to finish up my post here, I've had some legal issues related to gear and had to stay away for a while.

My time is pretty limited right now, but I will be finishing this up bit by bit when I have the time.

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duke068's picture

so much good info in there, great job EBS!!

inked's picture

Was just curious if there was going to be an update to this post?

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bball0909's picture

Great Read. I have a buddy getting ready to start Insulin. I would like to get more info on top of what is here to help him along. he does not use GH but certainly would considering how well they work together.

extremediezel's picture

is slin protocol and discussion allowed here? anyone that have solid experience FR me please, i need some advice on some things related to it thanks bros

ziabungle's picture

Very good read. I get tired of folks just saying slin is the devil. Like everything else, knowledge is the key. It lets people make an informed decision.

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inked's picture

That was some damn good info! I can't wait to read the dosages info as well!

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Pale's picture

Thank you and I am anxiously awaiting your dosage recommendations. I have been using GH for 6 weeks now and I am liking it, but if I can safely make it optimal I am all for it.

Dangerdave88's picture

Awesome read man. Thanks for taking the time to post this. Cant wait for Part II

EBSNW1's picture

I'm pretty certain the mods could make an exception here. After all, this is one of the most dangerous compounds out there, and using it incorrectly can lead to some serious consequences.

I just want people who are contemplating on using it to be safe, that's all. Many people on this site are running GH, and as I mentioned above the stacking of insulin together with it can take you to a whole other level. There is barely any info here on this compound, and since it is an essential part of bodybuilding (such as synthol too even though it has many haters) it might be time to remedy this.

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j223's picture

Agreed better to have the information here so people don't go about it uninformed. Whether or not slin info is posted on this website, people are still using it.

manbearpig's picture

oh yeah im totally subbed for this. great info!!

EmPee's picture

Excellent read!! Waiting for Part II