+ 1 Winter bulker rough draft(revisited)
5'8 179lbs..roughtly 12-13% bf.
well after a few long discussions i decided to make some changes to my winter bulk..i will be running 750mg test e/week with a 6 week dbol kicker. i still will be running hcg throughout the entire cycle up until a week before i begin pct. i still wanted to run proviron but decided to wait on the provi for future cycles. i will run 6.25 Aromasin everyday since that is what ive been taking for my first cycle, i was taking 12.5 ed but it was bringing my estro entirely to low and i was feeling lethargic and having physical signs of low E, so i lowered the dosage and i have felt great every since, so im guessing thats my right dosage as of right now, may have to adjust in the future. i will be getting bloods pre,mid,and post cycle to make sure my body is reacting ok to the new compounds i will be adding in this cycle. i want to gain atleast 20-25 lbs and be able to keep atleast 12-15 lbs post pct, i had quite a few people jump my shit about my last cycle plan but i was trying to incorporate entirely to many new compounds into my second cycle and they were in the right to correct me on my log. all compounds i proposed in this cycle are subject to changing the mg or dropping completely depending how my body is feeling and if it is reacting well to the compounds
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Dbol | Aromasin | Hcg | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 2 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 3 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 4 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 5 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 6 | 750mg | 50mg ED | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||
| 7 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 8 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 9 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 10 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 11 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 12 | 750mg | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | |||
| 13 | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||||
| 14 | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||||
| 15 | 6.25mg ED | 500iu/week | ||||
| 16 | 6.25mg ED | 100mg ed | 40mg ed | |||
| 17 | 6.25mg ED | 100mg ed | 40mg ed | |||
| 18 | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ed | 20mg ed | |||
| 19 | 6.25mg ED | 50mg ed | 20mg ed |
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I see a few new compounds when you first cycle was a test only. so you up the test another 250mgs for you second cycle add a prop kicker, prov, and tbol ? what happened to one compound at a time? what happened to its a marathon not a sprint? just my opinions.
Haven't had chance to update it after talking with a few guys below..test.prop kicker..and provi is going to be the cycle..that's why I labeled thisnpostba rough draft.nothing was set in stone.
Second cycle and you're adding prop, proviron, Tbol, and hcg?? So much for following not only the standard advice given here but also the advice you yourself give here.
After talking to a few guys below I'm just going to run 750mg test with prop kicker and provi.. provie as an a.i and hcg was suggested to me by more than a handful of people..
Proviron is not an AI and shouldn't be used as one, especially for a beginner like yourself. You're being misled. And hcg, btw, will raise your estrogen even more.
You're still a newb bro. Using proviron instead of an AI is an advanced approach. You need to learn the basics first.
Yea well thanks for your input I will take it into consideration.
As mentioned down below, prop kicker, tbol finish if you wish to use these specific compounds. I think your tbol dose is high personally, 50-60mg ed is a decent dose. All if a sudden 75-100 has become the norm. I've never found a need to run tbol as high as that.
It's not classic bulking, so all about your diet here. Eat eat eat!
The only reason I had the tbol dosage that high was cause of it being weaker than dbol and average dbol does is 50mg and up so I figured 75 mg ed wouldn't be to bad..and I know its all bout eating..I started stocking up yesterday at the grocery store and will continue to stock cyp every month till I start..should have enough food to last quite awhile..I like to have everything ready ahead of time ...must be o.c.d or somethinf
50mg of dbol isn't an average dose, it's a pretty significant one. I would use 40-50mg of dbol after 12/13 years of cycling and you would consider the doses of oils I run as high. "Weaker than dbol" - no, it's a different compound. It doesn't do the same things as dbol. I'm still not convinced tbol is the right choice for you here personally, but I'm not the biggest fan of it if I'm honest.
Nothing wrong with being organised! I'm a bit OCD too according to my mrs ;)
What would u suggest then? As an oral
Run dbol. If not not fat you won't get a moon face. I never seen anyone above 12%bf get a moon face. Fuck tbol.
I'll be good then..50mg ed sound good enough?
You're 2nd run isn't it? If it's pure bulk, which is the impression I get, I'd just run test with a dbol kick personally. I don't see why it needs to be more complicated.
Yea its my second cycle..and I want it to be a pure bulk. Could I still run the provi tho? I love what it does to my libido plus its a good a.i also that I could run 50mg ed the duration of the cycle up thru my pct. I still have a bunch of aromasin on hand but prefer the provi over the aro.
I don't have any issue with running the provi mate. Does the same to my libido. I always know provi is good when the fat bird that works in my gym starts to look worth a pop ;)
Either of the cycles are good mate, just some different ideas for you to digest and decide upon. All about the food here which if you need help with drop into the diet clinic and I'll help you out or pm me.
Good luck with it. +2 for the sensible planning and receptive approach.
Haha..yea I love bayer provirion ..I'll definently need some pointers on diet so I'll be sending you a pm in the future..I still have time to decide on which bulker to run so I'll do some research and see which one will benefit me most.thanks for all the help man I appreciate it.
Ok thanks bro for the feedback.
Thanks for all the help fellas..can't wait to start in early November. gonna be a good winter.
Drop the hcg 4 days before pct. it's suppressive and will keep you shutdown. It's Always better to run it thoughout the cycle and keep your lydeg cells awake and gettin the synthetic LH signal twice a week instead of letting your entire hpta stay dormant for 14 weeks. In my experience recovery is much easier. No aromasin unless needed the proviron will be enough. Keep it on hand just incase.
Good deal..thanks bro I'll do that..and I'll just keep aro on hand and run provi.. not sure how much each day yet..may start with 25 mg ed and depending how I feel I may have to adjust dosage.
RustyhookerProvi in pct will keep you shut down.
Hcg last 6Weeks IF needed.
Tbol can go 6 Weeks. Personally I'd run it last 6 when tedt is booming as a hardener and if needed prop kicker or frontliad.
Prop kick...150eod. Frontload...self explanatory.
Provi...50 every morning.
Ai on hand?
I read that wrong..so ur saying use prior as a kicker and run the tbol the last 6 weeks?
RustyhookerProp in first 4 Weeks and tbol last 6.
Tbol standing alone in first 4 Weeks before the test gets booming isn't as efficient. It's dry. Let it harden you while test is booming.
X2. I like this idea. Hardern him up and keep him gaining at the end of the cycle.
sounds good to me..thx for the advice rusty
Yea I have aromasin still..will have to order some more regardless to run duration of the cycle..think I should still prop kick even tho I'm using tbol as a kicker?
No need for two kickers, complicates things if anything. Why not kick with the Tbol and taper with prop if your dead set on running both ?
Rusty said something about a prop kicker that's why I asked..I only planned on kick starting with tbol..don't really want to pin eod with the prop.
Ah I see, go with rusty he is the holder of all aas knowledge ;)
RustyhookerTeamwork bro. There's so many different ideals, tweaks etc that ALL help the op.
I've enjoyed most orals as finishers when a dry compound is used. With prop, you can do many things as a finish without liver worries. Let the prop bring you up fast, eat...grow...finish.
Generally though there's no rock solid route. Every body reacts differently.