posted Sat, 04/05/2014 - 07:25
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Very Basic 1st Cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
I planned and started this cycle based on input from an experienced and trusted acquaintance before joining this site. I might have asked him a few more questions, but I have already started so I will probably "stay the course"...
Perhaps the primary objective of this cycle is to see how my body responds so I can take that data forward for future cycles.
One thought that keeps coming up after the fact is adding a Test Prop taper. Does anyone have any thoughts on yes/no, why, and/or how (dosage/timing? Much appreciated.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Nolvadex | Clomid | Arimidex/Aromasin on hand |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg | |||
| 2 | 400mg | |||
| 3 | 400mg | |||
| 4 | 400mg | |||
| 5 | 400mg | |||
| 6 | 400mg | |||
| 7 | 400mg | |||
| 8 | 400mg | |||
| 9 | 400mg | |||
| 10 | 400mg | |||
| 11 | 400mg | |||
| 12 | 400mg | |||
| 13 | ||||
| 14 | 40mg | 100mg | ||
| 15 | 40mg | 100mg | ||
| 16 | 20mg | 50mg | ||
| 17 | 20mg | 50mg |
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Just wrapped up this basic first test only cycle. Very pleased with the results: gained muscle, lost fat, and got stronger and rejuvenated. Looking forward to cycle 2.
Thanks to all the eroids members who steerd me in the right direction.
Saw a bunch of negs on the comments here so I +1 them. Who is going around pussynegging?
You have to be level 50 so your vote to count... but cool looking out.
Ohh! That's right. Word.
I wouldn't completely disregard the prop taper brother..
The reason for the taper is so your levels don't drop so dramatically coming into pct... I much rather have had a taper for my last cycle, my first week of pct was pretty rough as my levels plummeted..
All the replies are much appreciated. So just to sum up:
-Adjust PCT to as follows: two weeks after last pin, go 40/40/20/20 for Nolva and 100/100/50/50 for Clomid
-Stop considering the Test Prop off-taper
-Drop the DBol
-Change pinning schedule from once a week to splitting the dosage and pinning twice a week
-Get some Arimidex/Aromasin time fucking now (I will research the dosing/timing on this)
-Lab tests: I am posted in Europe, so I have to crack the code on the lab tests... Hypothetically, if you can't get a lab test or acquire the data some other way, would you A) take the AI proactively, i.e. pre-symptoms or B) wait for symptoms and then respond accordingly?
My diet is decent. I eat 4-5 moderate meals a day of red meat (usually) or chicken/fish (sometimes), vegetables, rice, and maybe some nuts or something. I usually reduce/skip the carbs in the evening. Once or twice a week I will loosen up and eat some pizza, dessert, or some shit like that while maintaining protein consumption. My wife keeps me well fed and she does all the counting of macros and whatnot. I drink lots of green tea, take fish oil, and avoid alcohol. This is a little more info than what I put in my introduction post... I can give more detail if necessary.
Sounds about right. +1
I ordered dbol, test e, var, and clomid for my first cycle and got shot down by these same dudes that I didn't know.
You are already almost done with your dbol, so whatever there... But you still need to go to privatemdlabs.com and order a hormone panel for females to test your blood at week 6. You need to research and order AI and clomid. You need to research and follow protocol TODAY.
Fr sent, pm me if you have any questions.
Looking at your cycle layout you need to read for a day or two immediately.
The man below nailed it. Plus one grew post he basically covered it. Drop dbol forget prop taper u sir need to master test only and how your body reacts before moving on test is the base of everything. Plus one more thing I see that needs adjusting is then start of your pct its two weeks after your last pin not skip a week and start
well first off i will say you shouldn't have started with dbol for an oral kicker a first cycle is meant for you to A. get used to one compound at a time B. get used to proper pinning cycleing injection sites if injecting twice a week which is a good idea because it keeps blood stable and is easier on virgin muscle with 1 cc or under per injection aka 200 on a sun and 200 on thurs morning and C. figuring out how you react to test sides aka high estrogen i see you have no "AI" listed aka aromitise adhibitor so you don't get gyno or extremely high estrogen which is also no good along with extremely low estrogen which is also no good. how do you know if you "AI" is working well you would have to know where your baseline blood levels are test , estro , etc etc . basically proper protocol and what you should do next time is get blood work before for your baseline so you know where your test levels are at and estro levels so then half way through you get another blood test done to make sure things are going smoothly like your test levels should be up obviously but your estro levels shouldn't be off the charts because your taking you "AI" correctly. do some research on "AI"s because it is very good to have on hand if sides start to show up. and last but not least a blood test after your pct is done to make sure your balls are coming back to life aka producing test on their own. now with your pct what you have listed is incorrect proper pct first protocol looks like so Nolva 40/40/20/20,Clomid 100/100/50/50 and your "AI" aromasin or arimidex. now this is something you need to do correctly not just for this cycle but any and all of your future cycles. also no prop taper one compound at a time, prop has multiple injections you need to stay on course and execute this first cycle correctly before you go adding other more complex compounds and or complex pinning routines. your profile says age 32 6'2 210 at 14 % bf which is good how about your diet whats that look like. more gear or compounds right off the rip isn't better in this stage less is more youll get great gains off of this simple cycle no need to go crazy until you have the knowledge, experience, training, and diet under your belt.
^^This^^+1
You better get that AI quick if you haven't already or you could be in a world of hurt real soon.
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+1 tony, thank you