posted Fri, 08/08/2014 - 00:21
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The NPP Super Test w/Epistane closer
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
220lbs
6'1
25 years old
BF% about 12-15% tops
Goal: Lean bulk
Supplementing with supports throughout.
2nd cycle inj
6 DS oral cycles
Macro range
35% carbs
20% fats
45 % proteins
Caloric intake 3500 min - 4000 tops
Going to cruise on test at 200 ew after cycle is over.
| Week | Super Test | Pregnyl | NPP | Epistane | Aromasin |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 900mg Load | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 2 | 450mg | 12.5mg ED | |||
| 3 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 4 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 5 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 6 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 7 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 12.5mg ED | |
| 8 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 50mg ED | 12.5mg ED |
| 9 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 50mg ED | 12.5mg ED |
| 10 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 400mg | 50mg ED | 12.5mg ED |
| 11 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 50mg ED | 12.5mg ED | |
| 12 | 450mg | 250UI 2x WK | 50mg ED | 12.5mg ED | |
| 13 | 200mg | 12.5 E3D | |||
| 14 | 200mg | 12.5 E3D |
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My goals would be so much different at 15% bf than they would be at 12%. here is a thread with 2 links in the comments. the first link is a great bf calculator that was spot on for me, the second will. give a visual guide to make sure you get close. ii was very surprised with some of the visuals.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-to-calculate-bf
Why are you "cruising on 200mg test after cycle is over"? Never coming off? TRT?
Hmmm, idk if you need to be using a 19-nor during your second real cycle even if you've done alot of other DS cycles in the past. I would drop the npp, throw the epstaine in the trash lol and maybe run your test a little higher then last time. You've already used dbol so why not something like 500-750mgs of test with a dbol kicker and a solid pct after. Its to early in your injectable career for npp save it for later you can still make crazy ass gains on just test and an oral. Fuck DS man they make you feel like shit and we dont know the long term effects of them. Who knows if this shit causes some crazy diseases 10 years down the road. We just dont know they havent been around long enough. But dbol and orals like that have been around for 60 years. Heres my suggestion
weeks 1-12 500-750mgs of test
weeks 1-4 or 6 30mgs dbol
plus your hcg, and pct., Thats a solid second cycle. Forget the 19-nor and the epi.
The thing with DS and prohomrones that people dont understand is these were first created way back in the 50-60s just like dbol tbol and all those. Theres a reason they were never FDA approved and used in humans. Because there terrible for you. These companies that sell do not have some brilliant scientist on staff that created superdrol, hdrol pplex etc, they just went back in the old us patent registry and found these hormones that were synthesized but never produced. Then they sourced the raws from china, put them in capsules and sell them. Theres a reason why they decided to go ahead and FDA approve dbol, anadrol and all those and not superdrol pplex hdrol epi.
Might be wise for him to leave the hcg out. Honestly, given his history, it's more ideal for him to stick with only one aromatizing compound instead of 3. I'd be willing to bet that he doesn't really have a handle on AI's yet. His e2 will be all over the place for real.
We were typing at the same time and we are in violent agreement. Thanks for being so thorough.
Thanks to both of you guys, will for sure give that some solid thought and make arrangements for blood work post cycle of course. Already got both.. as for the epi, I can do with out it.
I get the impression you're not gonna toss this idea, based on the comments. NPP is really not a beginner level compound brother, or any 19-nor for that matter.
Not sure how long you've been here, but you'll find a huge difference between Eroids and the other forums. I've been on a few over the years and this is probably the only safety-first site.
There's a reason we stage out the progression of compounds. As I'm sure you know by now, each one has it's own effects as well as sides. By that I don't necessarily mean how you feel from the hormone. These hormones affect multiple systems within the human body and do so at varying degrees depending on dose amounts.
What does all that mean? It means learning how to use your ancillaries effectively and according to the cycle and it's doses.
With that being said, let me ask you some things about your cycle:
1) what can you tell me about hcg? Have you used it before?
2) what can you tell me about NPP?
3) what estrogen side effects did you get with you last cycle, and how do you plan to contend with them if they pop up?
4) how do you know if your AI is working or needs to be adjusted?
5) what do you plan on doing when your dick stops working? Bc believe it or not, if you follow what you have up top, it's inevitable.
6) lastly, what does your pct look like?
Is this your first cycle? If not, what cycles have you done in the past? Please post your PCT and include it in the cycle log.
Hey updated with a lil more info. I've cycled before. Using HCG to maintain the boys. Prior cycle includes test at 500mg ew and designer orals prior to that... epi.. m-sten.. supder-dmz and dbol.. trenavar... moving away from orals but tossing them in here and there where I see appropriate
I understand where u r coming from, but this is a big boy steroid site - time to leave the pro hormones behind you. I don't know how epistane is gonna stack with NPP and I also don't think a 19-nor like NPP is a good idea this early in your steroid cycle history. Most of all, you definitely need a blood test before you do anything given the background u just described.
Any advice is appreciated guys! Please feel free to adjust and critique whatever you see..
Also anyone with experience with stealth juice super test and a good way to counter the PIP please comment!
Thanks!