Test Prop / Tren Ace cycle and PCT
I AM NOT PLANNING TO RUN THIS CYCLE YET
I've got a lot of natural growing to do yet. I've been cutting my body fat to see how my next Test E with prop kicker and taper treats me. The past two were great but I was about 15-18% body fat for both. Once my body fat is closer to 10%, I'll start eating again, gain some solid mass and run my last cycle again. At that point, after a full recovery, I will begin considering this cycle. I like to plan ahead.
Stats
5' 8"
171 lbs
12-14% bf (estimate, will get body analysis done tomorrow)
29 yo
2 cycles (1 test e 600/wk 12 week, 1 test e 600/wk with prop kicker and taper 12 week) with same PCT as stated in this cycle
I do get blood work every 4 weeks on cycle or more often if sides begin to manifest. My flex benefits cover the tests.
I've done and still am doing research on the compounds I'm looking to use. I'm still dialing in the tren and test dosages. I am concerned about gyno and lactation. I'm also concerned about the deterioration of cardio endurance. Cycle length and PCT are my other concerns. I will take any advice given seriously. I appreciate you taking the time to read and comment.
I want the tren to be the main driver in this cycle. For that reason, I'm planning to run it 2x the dose of the test. I want to run my test at a TRT maintenance dose to avoid running on zero test. I've read through several contradicting experience concerning this ratio. Some say high test, low tren to minimize tren sides, some say low test, high tren so there isn't excess test floating around automatizing. I'll take any advice to heart on this one. But as of now I want the tren to run this cycle and keep the estro under control with maintenance test.
I plan to run the aromasin at 12.5mg/week for the cycle. For me, aromasin reduces my estro/test ratio by 41%. My natural ratio is around .5/1 (based off 3 off cycle blood tests). I will run my test at 175mg/wk. I'm not completely clear how that will translate to blood serum levels but I'm hoping for something near natural. I'll adjust by blood work during the cycle. I'd like to keep my estro around 20 pg/mL (I've read that estro has a positive correlation to prolactin) and if my test stays around 700-800 ng/dL, 12.5 mg aromasin should do that. I have letro on hand that I personally tested with blood tests. It works should I need it.
I am not messing around with any nasty lactating. I have caber on hand and will run it as noted below to keep any prolactin at bay. I remember as a kid, when my youngest brother was born, my mom would walk around the house with "sweat" marks on the front of her shirt in the winter... I later found out this was not sweat and I want nothing to do with that garbage. I will request a prolactin test 4 weeks in with my hormone panel and adjust the dosages as needed.
The effects on cardio endurance scare me. This is something I need to learn more about. I'm particularly concerned with long term negative effects on the cardiovascular tissue itself. This alone may prevent me from ever actually touching this stuff. Any experiences here would be great.
Tren is an intimidating drug. I want to try it at 9 weeks at first and at a relatively light dose. I don't plan to up the dose either. I want to learn how I respond to the drug and how long my recovery is. With my past two cycles, I was fully recovered 4 weeks following PCT by the blood work. I am interested to see what tren at 9 weeks will do. I'm planning to pin EOD, 100mg tren ace with 50mg test prop. I have 6 sites I'm comfortable with pinning and will rotate to hit each only about once a week.
I'm planning a standard PCT for 4 weeks starting 1 week after my last pin being as both compounds are short esters. I've read that a standard clomid/nolva PCT will work for a 19-nor cycle but I've also read that clomid is a no-go for a 19-nor cycle PCT. Any clarification here would be great.
As far as diet I plan to use this to bulk as I plan to keep my body fat under 15% before I kick this off. No more bulking over that as it's such a pain in the ass cutting so much body fat after every bulk. That said, I've hit 4k cals daily on my past two and had a hard time breaking 200lbs. I want to aim for 4500-5000 calories 50/30/20 C/P/F. I prepare all my meals for the week each Sunday, staying on diet has never been an issue.
I'm currently and plan to continue power lifting. I'm doing a modified Starting Strength type program pyrimiding up to one max set of 5 reps of all the major compounds. Power lifting will be the main premise of my routine however, the reps and sets may adjust as I hit plateaus.
Thanks everyone!
| Week | Test Prop | Tren Ace | Aromasin | Caber | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 2 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 3 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 4 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 5 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 6 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 7 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 8 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 9 | 175 mg | 350 mg | 12.5 mg | .5 mg | ||
| 10 | 6.25 mg | .25 mg | ||||
| 11 | 100 mg | 20 mg | ||||
| 12 | 100 mg | 20 mg | ||||
| 13 | 50 mg | 10 mg | ||||
| 50 mg | 10 mg |
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Anon2 cycles and Tren??? Are you nuts??? Let me explain. You're supposed to use other compounds like Deca and EQ mix and match those with Test e Test c Sustanon and TEst p. why? because once you use Tren it will make other compounds less effective meaning more and dangerous amounts will be needed to see results. Tren is the god of steroid compounds you're wasting other compounds out there that you never know your body could react really well to. I love Sustanon and EQ yes I've run Tren so I'm not just bullshitting you and I'm not gonna neg or bash you bro just saying give other compounds a chance EQ and Primo are amazing together with Sustanon. Bro there is so much you can do with other compounds and adding an oral here and there to mix things up don't just bash your system in with Tren because your body is just getting used to Testosterone supplementation. Trust me on this bro run about 9-10 cycles then consider Tren.
What I care about is your mid-cycle blood work with Tren. What are u planning?
Every other week. Hormone panel with prolactin. The test around mid cycle would include cholesterol as well. If polactin is where I want it, I may drop that from the following tests.
So you wanna go from a basic test cycle straight jnto the harshest and most powerful injectable steroid ever made? Before trying someting like a dbol kicker, anavar finsiher or any of the other more mild drugs? You're getting to excited and trying to rush things, let's forgrt about the tren until your preping for your bodybuilding competition, powerlifting competition , or have compete a few more cycles with some other more mild exotic compounds and have spend a fuckkng shot load of time reading about tren and reading cycle logs and taking to guys. Cause this isn't the case so far. "Clomid is a no go with 19-Nors". You need to find creditable sources of information, do not take advice on trenbolone from that big dude in the gym, because I can't see you finding that information anywhere in the web, and if you did show me where. It's nolva on cycle that is a no go, pct doesn't matter.
But forget all of that, your 171lbs at 12-14% bodyfat, after doing two cycles. That puts you at 147lbs of lbm. I would guess that even with the shittest genetics in the world you could have gotten up to 180lbs at 10% bf. that puts you at 162lbs of lbm. So even after two cycles your still 15lbs off of what you could have achieved naturally. So I take back what I said about trying some more mild drugs first , and I'm gonna have to advise staying off steroids for a long time until you learn about proper nutrition and training. This is the link to the diet clinic, post your diet of what you currently eating, and will have to get you on a good diet. At that point send me a message and will get you on a good training program and then you need to spend some time natural leaning how to eat an lift and then maybe consider doing another basic test cycle. But that's it man , you like a lot of guys think these drugs are gonna allow you to eat shit all day and look good. Not true at all. Diet comes first and it's 80% of the game . Without it you will get nowhere.
I appreciate the suggestions. I don't deny I need to get several things in line before running this cycle. I'm in a deep calorie deficit now and have been for 9 weeks. I am lighter than I have been since basic training, but this is on purpose. I'm dropping my body fat before I bring my calories and carbs back up. I will have no issues getting over 180lbs at 10% or less naturally. I also have a lot of research to do yet, which is what I was trying to do here. There isn't a lot of scientific research on trenbolone in humans so, unfortunately, I have to ask the questions. Look, eventually I'm going to run this. But I'm going to be as prepared as I can be before I do. You can help or you can talk down to me, doesn't matter to me.