posted Tue, 08/12/2014 - 03:16
2017
+ 1 Test, NPP, tbol for EBC
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
Age:26
Wt:190
Bf:10%
Cycle history: 2 total
1st real cycle Test E at 500 mgs a week
2nd real cycle, first was test E at 500-600 a week with 6 weeks dbol 50 mg each day
Done cycles of PH with ai and pct used.
Concerns: Want to avoid progestin sides! No gyno for me! hope pinning prop EOD doesn't suck and cause unbearable pip.
Expectations 10-15 lbs lean body mass
Goals: gain plenty of lean mass to add to my frame, spent 4 months cutting to lean out, first cycle I was too fat, hoping gains are more evident on my leaner frame. Need to work on arms, hamstrings, and shoulders.
| Week | Test Prop | NPP | TBOL | ADEX | caber | Clomid | Nolva |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | |||
| 2 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EO | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | |||
| 3 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | |||
| 4 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | |||
| 5 | 175 mg EOD | `25 mg EOD | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | |||
| 6 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 7 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 8 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 9 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 10 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 11 | 175 mg EOD | 125 mg EOD | 50 mg | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | ||
| 12 | 175 mg EOD | .25 mg EOD | .5 mg 2x a week | 100 mg | 40 mg | ||
| 13 | 100 mg | 40 mg | |||||
| 14 | 50 mg | 20 mg | |||||
| 15 | 50 mg | 20 mg |
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Think I'm gonna hold off untill I get test E, it will just make things easier, I might kick start with the prop and taper with the prop and tbol. I heard tbol was better for end of cycle cause it's dry so it's not a good kickstarter.
I'm planning my second cycle to bro for a winter bulk and I've been advised to quite a few senior members to keep it simple..I'm sticking with a long ester and possibly a dbol or tbol kicker the first 6 weeks..but then again I'm not a fan of pinning EOD, plus prop don't feel to good from what I've been told.
Prop isn't too bad, but it can be. It just depends on the % of BA and the carrier oil used. Gotta bust your cherry some time on it.
Biggest hurdle for most people tho isn't necessarily the more frequent pins, but the number of sites eod pinning requires since most will be Virgin muscles. If you're concerned about the pip and such with that, then what I usually tell folks is to run a long ester base and throw the prop in as a taper. And to adapt to the new sites, commit to a 6 site rotation with the long ester using glutes, quads, and delts. One CC each and a different site with each pin. By the time you get to your prop taper, they're primed. The initial pip, if any will be from the new oil and solvent ratio.
That right there is a recipe for PIP. Also, the more pins means more opportunity for infections, etc. I'm not a fan of EOD for a second cycle for these reasons. I completely agree with a prop taper in this case. One step at a time.
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this will be more third cycle, First cycle and second cycle was a big gap in between forgot to add it. first was test e at 500 a week for 12 weeks with aro and nolva and clomid for pct, second was dbol at 50 mg for 6 weeks and test e at 500-600 a week for 12 weeks, adex used in place of aro and same pct.
The best prop I ever used it totally painless. It really depends on the person who brewed it.
Yea I have a bottle of renvex prop but just saving it for a future taper..I'm sure I'll try a short ester cycle in the future to see how my body reacts to the compounds, I'm sure its different from test. E or C...I only rotate 4 sites as of now. Just glutes and quads, get nervous to pin delts cause I don't want it to effect me at work since I use my arms all day.my glutes are like concrete and don't even feel the pins anymore, quads still a little tender tho
Ya I would like to use test E but I already bought lots of prop thinking I was gonna do a quick 8 week cutting type cycle, props expensive lol mind as well use it, I don't mind pinning, and itll only be one more time a week then if I did test e
It's not impossible. Just not recommend so soon bc of the number of guys coming back panicking from the swelling and pip.
If you really wanna challenge yourself and make the types of gains that last, run a modest test dose and put the emphasis on the cardio and diet. Simple carbs in the AM and post workout only. Complex carbs during the day and overall carb taper starting after lunch or mid afternoon snack.
True..well let me know how it goes for you and if you can tell difference in your gains between the two esters.